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catman
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 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: Bush warns of World War III |
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At a news conference Wednesday, President Bush suggested that if Iran obtained nuclear weapons, it could lead to a new world war.
�I�ve told people that if you�re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon,� Bush said.
Bush�s spokeswoman later said the president was making not making any war plans but rather �a rhetorical point.�
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Iran to fire '11,000 rockets in minute' if attacked
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Iran warned on Saturday it would fire off 11,000 rockets at enemy bases within the space of a minute if the United States launched military action against the Islamic republic.
"In the first minute of an invasion by the enemy, 11,000 rockets and cannons would be fired at enemy bases," said a brigadier general in the elite Revolutionary Guards, Mahmoud Chaharbaghi.
"This volume and speed of firing would continue," added Chaharbaghi, who is commander of artillery and missiles of the Guards' ground forces, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.
The United States has never ruled out attacking Iran to end its defiance over the controversial Iranian nuclear programme, which the US alleges is aimed at making nuclear weapons but Iran insists is entirely peaceful.
Iran has for its part vowed never to initiate an attack but has also warned of a crushing response to any act of aggression against its soil.
"If a war breaks out in the future, it will not last long because we will rub their noses in the dirt," said Chaharbaghi.
"Now the enemy should ask themselves how many of their people they are ready to have sacrificed for their stupidity in attacking Iran," he said.
Iranian officials have repeatedly warned the military would target the bases of US forces operating in neighbouring Iraq and Afghanistan in the event of any attack and already has these sites under close surveillance.
Chaharbaghi said that the Guards would soon receive "rockets with a range of 250 kilometres (155 miles)" whereas the current range of its rockets is 150 kilometres (91 miles).
"We have identified our targets and with a close surveillance of targets, we can respond to the enemy's stupidity immediately," Chaharbaghi added.
He said that the Guards' weapons were spread out throughout the country and so would not be affected by any isolated US strikes against military facilities.
The Guards are Iran's elite ideological army and responsible for its most significant weapons such as the longer range Shahab-3 missile which has Israel and US bases in the Middle East within its range.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| if you�re interested in avoiding World War III |
This is irresponsible talk coming from the president of any country.
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| Iran warned on Saturday it would fire off 11,000 rockets at enemy bases within the space of a minute |
But what would they do in the SECOND minute? That's even more important. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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He did this last week. Statements such as these signal desperate aggression.
How much longer left in his latest "selected" term?
A year?
Some major US military brass (Head of NAVY?) came out shortly after saying he would be hard pressed to lead his men & women into against a broader middle east "campaign" againt Iraq.
For the record many other former military etc. do not support the NEO-KON's current global crusade.
Ron Paul is most popular with US military 
BRING EM' HOME.
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| if you�re interested in avoiding World War III |
This is irresponsible talk coming from the president of any country.
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| Iran warned on Saturday it would fire off 11,000 rockets at enemy bases within the space of a minute |
But what would they do in the SECOND minute? That's even more important. |
There wouldn't be a second minute? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Iran can have nuclear weapons.
However they must not be allowed the strategic benefits of possessing them.
PROJECT THOR (RODS FROM GOD) is the answer for Iran's nuclear program.
If Iran behaves themselves then they won't have a problem. If they do any kind of terror attack like at Kobar then they will loose their nuclear program. Iran's nuclear program is not longer an asset but rather a hostage. Most everything Iran wanted to gain from having nuclear weapons is now gone.
Iran can do what they want and the US will invest in what it wants. See who comes out better for it.
The other thing the US has to do:
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February 2, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
The Oil-Addicted Ayatollahs
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
MOSCOW
There may be only one thing dumber than getting addicted to consuming oil as a country � and that is getting addicted to selling it. Because getting addicted to selling oil can make your country really stupid, and if the price of oil suddenly drops, it can make your people really revolutionary. That�s the real story of the rise and fall of the Soviet Union � it overdosed on oil � and it could end up being the real story of Iran, if we�re smart.
It is hard to come to Moscow and not notice what the last five years of high oil prices have done for middle-class consumption here. Five years ago, it took me 35 minutes to drive from the Kremlin to Moscow�s airport. On Monday, it took me two and half hours. There was one long traffic jam from central Moscow to the airport, because a city built for 30,000 cars, which 10 years ago had 300,000 cars, today has three million cars and a ring of new suburbs.
How Russia deals with its oil and gas windfall is going to be a huge issue. But today I�d like to focus on how the Soviet Union was killed, in part, by its addiction to oil, and on how we might get leverage with Iran, based on its own addiction.
Economists have long studied this phenomenon, but I got focused on it here in Moscow after chatting with Vladimir Mau, the president of Russia�s Academy of National Economy. I mentioned to him that surely the Soviet Union died because oil fell to $10 a barrel shortly after Mikhail Gorbachev took office, not because of anything Ronald Reagan did. Actually, Professor Mau said, it was �high oil prices� that killed the Soviet Union. The sharp rise in oil prices in the 1970s deluded the Kremlin into overextending subsidies at home and invading Afghanistan abroad � and then the collapse in prices in the �80s helped bring down the overextended empire.
Here�s the story: The inefficient Soviet economy survived in its early decades, Professor Mau explained, thanks to cheap agriculture, from peasants forced into collective farms, and cheap prison labor, used to erect state industries. Beginning in the 1960s, however, even these cheap inputs weren�t enough, and the Kremlin had to start importing, rather than exporting, grain. Things could have come unstuck then. But the 1973 Arab oil embargo and the sharp upsurge in oil prices � Russia was the world�s second-largest producer after Saudi Arabia � gave the Soviet Union a 15-year lease on life from a third source of cheap resources: �oil and gas,� Professor Mau said.
The oil windfall gave the Brezhnev government �money to buy the support of different interest groups, like the agrarians, import some goods and buy off the military-industrial complex,� Professor Mau said. �The share of oil in total exports went from 10-to-15 percent to 40 percent.� This made the Soviet Union only more sclerotic. �The more oil you have, the less policy you need,� he noted.
In the 1970s, Russia exported oil and gas and �used this money to import food, consumer goods and machines for extracting oil and gas,� Professor Mau said. By the early 1980s, though, oil prices had started to sink � thanks in part to conservation efforts by the U.S. �One alternative for the Soviets was to decrease consumption, but the Kremlin couldn�t do that � it had been buying off all these constituencies,� Professor Mau explained. So �it started borrowing from abroad, using the money mostly for consumption and subsidies, to maintain popularity and stability.� Oil prices and production kept falling as Mr. Gorbachev tried reforming communism, but by then it was too late.
The parallel with Iran, Professor Mau said, is that the shah used Iran�s oil windfall after 1973 to push major modernization onto a still traditional Iranian society. The social backlash produced the ayatollahs of 1979. The ayatollahs used Iran�s oil windfall to lock themselves into power.
In 2005, Bloomberg.com reported, Iran�s government earned $44.6 billion from oil and spent $25 billion on subsidies � for housing, jobs, food and 34-cents-a-gallon gasoline � to buy off interest groups. Iran�s current populist president has further increased the goods and services being subsidized.
So if oil prices fall sharply again, Iran�s regime will have to take away many benefits from many Iranians, as the Soviets had to do. For a regime already unpopular with many of its people, that could cause all kinds of problems and give rise to an Ayatollah Gorbachev. We know how that ends. �Just look at the history of the Soviet Union,� Professor Mau said.
In short, the best tool we have for curbing Iran�s influence is not containment or engagement, but getting the price of oil down in the long term with conservation and an alternative-energy strategy. Let�s exploit Iran�s oil addiction by ending ours. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Project Thor!! Rods from the Gods!!
There is some extreme repressed homosexuality behind that name. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Project Thor!! Rods from the Gods!!
There is some extreme repressed homosexuality behind that name. |
Perhaps it is just you have a sick mind. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Project Thor!! Rods from the Gods!!
There is some extreme repressed homosexuality behind that name. |
Perhaps it is just you have a sick mind. |
You hot for a little God Rod, Joo? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
Project Thor!! Rods from the Gods!!
There is some extreme repressed homosexuality behind that name. |
Perhaps it is just you have a sick mind. |
You hot for a little God Rod, Joo? |
For you JMO
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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mmm you had that info right at hand, didn't you..
Did they help you with your God Rod issues? Don't hold it in Joo, or you'll just end up being busted in an airport bathroom...
I suppose we better stop the caliphate, cos we all know nobody on the 'Project thor: Rods of God' team is allowed in an Islamic fundamentalist state.
That is the funniest name I've ever heard. Really, someone high up has a sense of humor or no sense of humor. One or the other.. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| if you�re interested in avoiding World War III |
This is irresponsible talk coming from the president of any country. |
Damn straight.
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| Iran warned on Saturday it would fire off 11,000 rockets at enemy bases within the space of a minute |
But what would they do in the SECOND minute? That's even more important. |
Run like hell. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| mmm you had that info right at hand, didn't you |
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No just a google search. I was worried about you.
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Did they help you with your God Rod issues? Don't hold it in Joo, or you'll just end up being busted in an airport bathroom... |
There is help available . You don't need to be ashamed to seek it.
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| I suppose we better stop the caliphate, cos we all know nobody on the 'Project thor: Rods of God' team is allowed in an Islamic fundamentalist state. |
the US ought to keep Iran honest. That system in question will do that. I don't care about the name.
Iran can have nuclear weapons but they can not be permitted the strategic benefits of their possession.
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| That is the funniest name I've ever heard. Really, someone high up has a sense of humor or no sense of humor. One or the other.. |
The name doesn't matter keeping the other side from making trouble does. |
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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China has energy and resource contracts in the region but would abandon them in a nanosecond in a conflict.
Russia is the only player in the market that could make it a WWIII.
The truth is that it wouldn't be a 'world' war per se. It'd be America bombing a few Middle Eastern countries. That's it.
Israel has the most to loose in such a conflict as American allies. |
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