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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| atomic42 wrote: |
"Big boys!" 
You might wanna check it before you wreck it, boob. |
I thought you took your ball and went home! |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Zackly. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| The difference is what a side fights for. Khomenist , Al Qaedists and Bathists are fascist bigots. |
Do you know the life of Khomeini? What he stood for, what he fought for? Just wondering where you got all your info. |
He tried to conquer the gulf and he murdered Bahis.
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Khomeini fatwa 'led to killing of 30,000 in Iran'
By Christina Lamb, Diplomatic Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:55pm BST 19/06/2001
CHILDREN as young as 13 were hanged from cranes, six at a time, in a barbaric two-month purge of Iran's prisons on the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini, according to a new book by his former deputy.
More than 30,000 political prisoners were executed in the 1988 massacre - a far larger number than previously suspected. Secret documents smuggled out of Iran reveal that, because of the large numbers of necks to be broken, prisoners were loaded onto forklift trucks in groups of six and hanged from cranes in half-hourly intervals.
Gruesome details are contained in the memoirs of Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri, The Memoirs of Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, one of the founders of the Islamic regime. He was once considered Khomeini's anointed successor, but was deposed for his outspokenness, and is now under house arrest in the holy city of Qom. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/02/04/wiran04.xml
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July 13, 2005
iranian.com
Source: Amnesty International - Australia
The Mandaeans (known also as Sabians in Arabic) are followers of John the Baptist. They fled East from the Jordan Valley in approximately A.D. 70 and settled in what is now Southern Iraq and South Western Iran. Since the Islamic conquest in the seventh century they have suffered savage persecution by Moslem groups. This persecution has periodically varied in intensity. At present the Mandaean community is estimated to be approximately 5,000-10,000 in Iran.
Persecution of members of the Mandaean Religion in Iran
The Mandaeans in Iran primarily occupy an area of the city of Ahwaz called Khuzistan. Ahwaz lies close to the border with Iraq, and its population is overwhelmingly Shi�ite Moslem.
The Mandaean religion is not recognised as a legal religion under Article 13 of the Iranian Constitution. Consequently they are discriminated against in all policy decisions:
In Iran, particularly severe persecution of minority religions, including executions of Mandaeans and of Baha�is, continues.
All religious minorities suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education and housing.
Recognised religious minorities are second class citizens. Non-believers and non recognised religions are deprived of any rights.
The following are examples of incidents which characterise everyday life for Mandaeans in Iran. The intensity of these acts varies and the consequences can be very severe.
�Uncleanliness�
The Mandaeans are considered unclean by Moslems, and encounter difficulties when shopping. They are not allowed to touch a Moslem or work in the food industry as they are perceived to render unclean everything they touch. A Mandaean who accidentally touches an item may be confronted with the demand to buy the entire stock as it has been rendered �unclean�.
Disruption of Mandaean family life: forced marriage and sexual assault
In her most recent report to Amnesty International, Professor J.J. Buckley -- an internationally recognised specialist on the Mandaean religion -- has stressed that �the attempt to destroy Mandaean families is increasing, but with a particular focus on women and young girls.� The Mandaean Human Rights Committee has also documented that the Iranian authorities attempt to break up Mandaean families with a particular focus on women and children, pressuring them to convert to Islam and pressuring women to marry Moslem men. Further reports, including those produced by ASUTA (the Journal for the Study and Research into the Mandaean Culture, Religion and Language) indicate that Mandaean parents fear that their children will be kidnapped, and forcibly circumcised, converted to Islam, raped or forcibly married. Regarding the rape of Mandaean girls and women, several reports suggest that Islamic judges would hold that a Moslem male who raped a Mandaean female would be understood to have �purified� her. Accordingly, the Sabian Mandaean Association reports that Mandaean girls have been raped with impunity by Moslem men. |
http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2005/July/Mandaean/index.html
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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February 2, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
The Oil-Addicted Ayatollahs
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
MOSCOW
There may be only one thing dumber than getting addicted to consuming oil as a country � and that is getting addicted to selling it. Because getting addicted to selling oil can make your country really stupid, and if the price of oil suddenly drops, it can make your people really revolutionary. That�s the real story of the rise and fall of the Soviet Union � it overdosed on oil � and it could end up being the real story of Iran, if we�re smart.
It is hard to come to Moscow and not notice what the last five years of high oil prices have done for middle-class consumption here. Five years ago, it took me 35 minutes to drive from the Kremlin to Moscow�s airport. On Monday, it took me two and half hours. There was one long traffic jam from central Moscow to the airport, because a city built for 30,000 cars, which 10 years ago had 300,000 cars, today has three million cars and a ring of new suburbs.
How Russia deals with its oil and gas windfall is going to be a huge issue. But today I�d like to focus on how the Soviet Union was killed, in part, by its addiction to oil, and on how we might get leverage with Iran, based on its own addiction.
Economists have long studied this phenomenon, but I got focused on it here in Moscow after chatting with Vladimir Mau, the president of Russia�s Academy of National Economy. I mentioned to him that surely the Soviet Union died because oil fell to $10 a barrel shortly after Mikhail Gorbachev took office, not because of anything Ronald Reagan did. Actually, Professor Mau said, it was �high oil prices� that killed the Soviet Union. The sharp rise in oil prices in the 1970s deluded the Kremlin into overextending subsidies at home and invading Afghanistan abroad � and then the collapse in prices in the �80s helped bring down the overextended empire.
Here�s the story: The inefficient Soviet economy survived in its early decades, Professor Mau explained, thanks to cheap agriculture, from peasants forced into collective farms, and cheap prison labor, used to erect state industries. Beginning in the 1960s, however, even these cheap inputs weren�t enough, and the Kremlin had to start importing, rather than exporting, grain. Things could have come unstuck then. But the 1973 Arab oil embargo and the sharp upsurge in oil prices � Russia was the world�s second-largest producer after Saudi Arabia � gave the Soviet Union a 15-year lease on life from a third source of cheap resources: �oil and gas,� Professor Mau said.
The oil windfall gave the Brezhnev government �money to buy the support of different interest groups, like the agrarians, import some goods and buy off the military-industrial complex,� Professor Mau said. �The share of oil in total exports went from 10-to-15 percent to 40 percent.� This made the Soviet Union only more sclerotic. �The more oil you have, the less policy you need,� he noted.
In the 1970s, Russia exported oil and gas and �used this money to import food, consumer goods and machines for extracting oil and gas,� Professor Mau said. By the early 1980s, though, oil prices had started to sink � thanks in part to conservation efforts by the U.S. �One alternative for the Soviets was to decrease consumption, but the Kremlin couldn�t do that � it had been buying off all these constituencies,� Professor Mau explained. So �it started borrowing from abroad, using the money mostly for consumption and subsidies, to maintain popularity and stability.� Oil prices and production kept falling as Mr. Gorbachev tried reforming communism, but by then it was too late.
The parallel with Iran, Professor Mau said, is that the shah used Iran�s oil windfall after 1973 to push major modernization onto a still traditional Iranian society. The social backlash produced the ayatollahs of 1979. The ayatollahs used Iran�s oil windfall to lock themselves into power.
In 2005, Bloomberg.com reported, Iran�s government earned $44.6 billion from oil and spent $25 billion on subsidies � for housing, jobs, food and 34-cents-a-gallon gasoline � to buy off interest groups. Iran�s current populist president has further increased the goods and services being subsidized.
So if oil prices fall sharply again, Iran�s regime will have to take away many benefits from many Iranians, as the Soviets had to do. For a regime already unpopular with many of its people, that could cause all kinds of problems and give rise to an Ayatollah Gorbachev. We know how that ends. �Just look at the history of the Soviet Union,� Professor Mau said.
In short, the best tool we have for curbing Iran�s influence is not containment or engagement, but getting the price of oil down in the long term with conservation and an alternative-energy strategy. Let�s exploit Iran�s oil addiction by ending ours. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| You can't argue with America Haters. It is ironic that the people that hate America the most are Americans (aka Liberals). Its true. Liberals would love nothing else to see this country falter and fail. Just so they can point their finger at George Bush and say "Its your fault. We told you so." |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| atomic42 wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
the difference between freedom and terror.
Real simple for you
Ok South Korea and North Korea. Which side did the US support?
cold war was defensive. |
You're a tool and a fool.
My work here is done. |
Some people are has beens, you are a radical never was. Calling you an idiot would be an insult to all the stupid people. |
That has to be one of the best lines I've read on this forum.
Atomic, i don't think you could be any more lazy. Impressive. |
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