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"You can't come to lunch because you're not Korean.&quo
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: "You can't come to lunch because you're not Korean.&quo Reply with quote

So, I was assessed by the local school board today and was told that afterwards we would go and have lunch with the principal, vice-principal and members of the school board who came to assess me. Just now i was told that the Korean coteachers can go to lunch with the vice principal, the principal and the School Board members, but us native speaker teachers (there are two at this public school) couldn't go because we're not "Korean." Evil or Very Mad

At least my coteacher is very understanding and sympathetic to the situation, but it still sucks (it wasn't her idea and she told me it "breaks her heart" that i wasn't invited). Imagine a foreigner being told that crap back home.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you both take it, so it continues...

refuse to sit at the back of the bus and things will change

if both of you foreign teachers quit, or even didn't show up to work the next day in protest: saying it's because of THAT reason, expressing how you feel insulted

things would change quickly

... but one has to pick and choose one's battles, and that may not be where many would draw the line

but don't be fooled: you can make a difference
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not normal for Korea (especially public schools).
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. It is not normal. Usually, you'll be 'asked' to go whether you want to go or not.

It could be they are going to eat something they don't think foreigners would eat (boshintang comes to mind) or most of them don't speak English and they assume you don't speak Korean and want to avoid discomfort on all sides.

It's a good idea here to put your emotions on hold until you get a good, clear, complete answer to odd situations. Most of the time, you will find no insult was intended.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's not normal. I've worked at this public school for almost two years and this is the first thing like this that's happened here. I've worked in Korea for nearly 3 years and nothing like this has happened before. I didn't particularly want to go to lunch with these people anyways, but the fact that i was told no because i was a foreigner is both humiliating and angering. I'm not going to do anything rash but i did decide to show the Korean version of Shrek in class instead of teaching English in protest.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, ha. My boss stopped taking everyone out to eat a looooooong time ago. Might have something to do with him trying to be a big shot, making unwarranted little comments, and me coming right back and shooting him down.

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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also hoping it was some sort of mis-translation...but i'm not holding my breath for that one.
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like many people have the opposite problem, as in being expeced to go out soju drinking/kalbi eating all hours of the night, whether they want to or not.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showing a Korean movie is a great idea...do it for the next week to make a point. I agree that not going and not be allowed to go are two very different issues. Being told I couldn't go because I was foreigner would piss me off too.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TexasPete wrote:
I'm also hoping it was some sort of mis-translation...but i'm not holding my breath for that one.


Do try to find out. Maybe they thought that was a simpler way to explain things rather than confronting you over your BO problem. If your co-teachers went then there is no reason why you couldn't.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ED209 wrote:
TexasPete wrote:
I'm also hoping it was some sort of mis-translation...but i'm not holding my breath for that one.


Do try to find out. Maybe they thought that was a simpler way to explain things rather than confronting you over your BO problem. If your co-teachers went then there is no reason why you couldn't.


Don't lose your cool just yet. Talk to your coteachers and tell them that you felt offended. Maybe it was some other reason. Maybe they were going to bash foreigners all night and figured you would put a damper on that being there.

You don't see the NAACP inviting George Bush out for steaks.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TexasPete wrote:
I know it's not normal. I've worked at this public school for almost two years and this is the first thing like this that's happened here. I've worked in Korea for nearly 3 years and nothing like this has happened before. I didn't particularly want to go to lunch with these people anyways, but the fact that i was told no because i was a foreigner is both humiliating and angering. I'm not going to do anything rash but i did decide to show the Korean version of Shrek in class instead of teaching English in protest.



Wow that's very strange indeed--and sorry to hear that! This is my first time teaching in Korea and both of my schools try to include me in MOST things. They have invited me to several outings. They are trying to make me feel welcomed but actually...I feel very uncomfortable as no one likes to talk to the foreigners or make as little contact with the foreigner as possible.


If I were you, I would write a strong letter and give it the principal, vp and those members that evaluated you. I would be very offended if that happened to me. Off course I'd not rather go to those outings..but being told I CANT go because I'm not Korean?? WTF..I'm still a human being with feelings. Jeez. Again, I would write a letter telling them how offended I am that they barred me from the dinner on the sole basis that I'm not Korean. Then state that if this is the case then please do not include you or the other Native speaker in ANYTHING outside of the classroom.

It's true that you should pick your battles carefully, but I think this is worthy of standing up for yourself. Just think--this is their basis for just a dinner...what else is in store on the same basis? Hope that makes sense. I just dont think crap like this is acceptable. I know Korea can be backwards in its ways but if the school is willing to invest that much in having an NT, then they should at least invest the same amount of effort in making the NT feel WELCOMED.
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R-Seoul



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: your place

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you & the other foreign teacher should have done was just to go along to the lunch with them anyway. What are they going to do, physically remove you from the restaurant?
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hugo_danner



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send them a sarcastic message thanking them for the nice evaluation and lunch.
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philipjames



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just count your blessings that you don't have to listen to (and see) the neanderthals eating their food. I for one refuse to eat lunch with my Korean colleaugues until they step out of the stone age and learn some table manners.
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