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seoulshock
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| I thought marriage was supposed to make you mature man, jinju. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought marriage was supposed to make you mature man, jinju. |
again, wives should be off limits on this discussion board.
Let's enjoy the verbal jousting, without lowering the common denominator with references to someone's wife and family. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I wont bother responding to idiots. Im far too mature to get into personal mud slinging contests. So staying ON TOPIC ....
I will say this about Carter. He was the worst president in modern American history. Since he left the White House he has shown himself to be a tool. His antisemitism, meaning his hatred of Israel and jews in general will define him after he croaks. Now, what I want to know is why some of you are so keen to defend him. The man is an absolute joke. His pitiful presidency should have been enough to shut the old fart up for a few dacades, just from shame. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| His antisemitism, meaning his hatred of Israel and jews in general |
It can mean something else?
edit: didn;t see that the jew hater was actually trying to mess with the meaning above...
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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the main Kurdish leader ship does not support the PKK. In fact they may go after them within the next few weeks.
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And if they don't, then Turkey should invade..right?
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| But while Iran is behind acts of terror |
Yikes, I can see where this is going.. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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1. he is a terrible antisemite. Walking scumbag.
2. He was the worst president in the modern era. Absolute garbage. |
A terrible anti-semite eh? Hmmmm ... sounds pretty awful alright.
Who do you regard as a good one? 
All clowning aside, "ANTI" what? semit-ISM?
Is it at all like any other abstact ISM?
e.g. capitalISM, feminISM, communISM, marxISM, fascISM etc ...
Is it a world view or ideology of some kind?
What does this semitISM of which you refer actually stand for, aim to promote ... etc?
It presumably has something to do with semites.
What's a semite, exactly? Who's a semite?
Let's get to the bottom of things here, & see what it is we're actually left with  |
Anti-Semite means someone hates Jews.
Is it so hard? 
And no, etymology cannot determine the present meaning of a word. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
again, wives should be off limits on this discussion board.
Let's enjoy the verbal jousting, without lowering the common denominator with references to someone's wife and family. |
Once the users here start acting as if they really were involved a debate as opposed to the pretending to be Sunday morning pundits as they currently do, this demand for civility would be valid.
As it stands, Jinju is a cunt and needs to be insulted as often as he throws it out. Taste of one's own medicine and all of that. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Anti-Semite means someone hates Jews.
Is it so hard?
And no, etymology cannot determine the present meaning of a word. |
Anti-semite is an utterly nonsensical term.
If what you mean is someone who hate jews, then SAY IT! But don't think you can just get away using such a tripe & INAUTHENTIC term as anti-semite.
Ignorant & offensive, it constitutes little more than an emotionally-laden knee-jerk double-think catch-phrase.
Herd speak  |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Fine. Carter hates Jews. There. Happy? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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Anti-Semite means someone hates Jews.
Is it so hard?
And no, etymology cannot determine the present meaning of a word. |
Anti-semite is an utterly nonsensical term.
If what you mean is someone who hate jews, then SAY IT! But don't think you can just get away using such a tripe & INAUTHENTIC term as anti-semite.
Ignorant & offensive, it constitutes little more than an emotionally-laden knee-jerk double-think catch-phrase.
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What's the difference between saying someone is an 'anti-Semite' and someone is a 'person who hates Jews?'
You're being pedantic. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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What's the difference between saying someone is an 'anti-Semite' and someone is a 'person who hates Jews?'
You're being pedantic. |
A lot of it comes down to the SEM-antics.
QUESTION:
What EXACTLY is a semite? Who's a semite? Why?
How is it they that they've come to relate to this identity? Who is NOT a semite?
Use of this fraudulent catch-phrase is intellectually unacceptable.
How ignorant can people really be? Apparently far more than what many realize |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Jinju, I don't get how you think Carter is an anti-semite. I don't think this is a defensible position, so please give specific examples of how he is one. IMO, someone who doesn't go along with everything Israel demands does not make them an anti-semite. For example, is Noam Chomsky, who is a Jew, an anti-semite, even though he is one of the biggest critics of Israeli policy? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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As a critic of Israel, Carter could be more accurately described as an anti-ZIONIST.
Two entirely different things; yet something some people like to obfuscate & confuse often in order simply
to promote a bankrupt political agenda & world-view.
Psssst .... most semites are not Israelis. Arabs e.g. are semites too.
Moreover, most Israelis (ash-ke-NAZIS) are apparently not even semites, & their ancestors maintained
no historical ties to Palestine what-so-ever.
Read Arthur Koestler's 13th TRIBE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
What's the difference between saying someone is an 'anti-Semite' and someone is a 'person who hates Jews?'
You're being pedantic. |
A lot of it comes down to the SEM-antics.
QUESTION:
What EXACTLY is a semite? Who's a semite? Why?
How is it they that they've come to relate to this identity? Who is NOT a semite?
Use of this fraudulent catch-phrase is intellectually unacceptable.
How ignorant can people really be? Apparently far more than what many realize |
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The Guardian carries a letter from John Pilger depicting Egypt as a wronged party in the Yom Kippur War of 1973. There's a time and a place for everything, and Pilger's eccentric historical interpretations are not the subject of this post. But one of the statements within the letter makes a curious juxtaposition with a story elsewhere in the same edition of the paper. Pilger writes:
According to [Jonathan] Freedland, the present Israeli regime is merely "a clumsy prizefighter driven to fury by a fly buzzing around its ears". His description of the entire Palestinian resistance as buzzing flies would be shocking if it did not accurately reflect Israeli racism, itself a virulent form of anti-semitism.
You read that last clause right: Pilger is making an accusation not only of Israeli racism - a standard trope of the extreme Left - but also of Israeli anti-semitism. It's not a misprint: it's a libel he fully intends.
The reasoning behind Pilger's bizarre accusation is pure sophistry. It is common on the extreme Left, and it runs like this. Israelis complain about the prejudiced character of parts of the popular culture of the Arab world (for example, a television drama assuming the truth of the notorious Tsarist forgery the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion; Palestinian textbooks retailing venerable anti-Jewish libels). They are, according to the anti-Israel campaigners, being disingenuous however in levelling accusations of anti-semitism, because the Arabs themselves are a semitic people. How then could it possibly be true to describe the Palestinian Authority and other Arab groups as guilty of anti-semitism, when they are themselves semites? (This is presented as a rhetorical question and conversation-stopper, but it's generally followed, as in Pilger's letter, by accusations of Israeli racism, colonialism and manifold other sins of commission and omission.)
I'm no fan of Pilger's, but I think this calumny is the most egregious remark I've come across even from that source. What's wrong with it is that it reduces the suffering of the Jewish people - most obviously the attempt in the last century to kill every Jew in Europe, but a Judaeophobia that has lasted literally millennia - by means of semantic trickery. It is a historical accident that the term 'anti-semitism' exists at all, let alone is the common term for anti-Jewish prejudice. The term was coined only in the second half of the nineteenth century by a German anti-Jewish polemicist, Wilhelm Marr. Marr argued that western civilisation had been infiltrated by a pernicious Jewish influence, and he established his own Anti-Semitic League in 1871 to further his anti-Jewish demagoguery.
Ironically Marr, an extremist Jew-baiter, thereby invented a term that became standard as a label for anti-Jewish prejudice. Yet it's an intellectually idle and vacuous word as well as a euphemism. There is, after all, no such phenomenon as 'Semitism' to which one can be opposed. The destructive effect of the very term anti-Semitism can be discerned in Pilger's casual insults. If 'anti-semitism' doesn't mean prejudice specifically against Jews, then we have no immediately recognised term for that particular prejudice. Because the language we use about politics is crucial to the clarity of our thinking about a subject (I don't entirely endorse Orwell's views on language and politics, but I do this one), this softening of the specificity of anti-Jewish prejudice serves to anaesthetise our moral defences. It's a process that marked the history of the so-called German Democratic Republic, a prison-state that not only refused to accept any historical guilt for the Holocaust but was also a relentless source of anti-Jewish propaganda and anti-Israel agitation. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| ... and a "jew baiter" is what precisely? |
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