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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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I don't like Jinju. However, I have backed him in a few instances. This is not one of them. The way I see it is..
1.) He's just trolling, trying to get some wide eyed, recently graduated canadian to rush to the defence of our beloved RCMP.
2.) He's crazier than a sh#t house rat. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Though the above statement is obviously true.
We should all refrain from name calling and indecent language.
With very few exceptions the sh#t house rat isn't that crazy. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Im not trolling. The mounties are a joke. And dude, Im canadian, the RCMP are not beloved. They are a 3rd rate aganecy that allowed Chris Neil to do his thing. Supposedly, they had him "under investigation"...if so, good job guys! |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Though the above statement is obviously true.
We should all refrain from name calling and indecent language.
With very few exceptions the sh#t house rat isn't that crazy. |
Very true. My apologies. It wasn't as though I was really trying to be mean. Most of it was tongue in cheek. Jinju ain't so bad for a mentally unbalanced lavatory rodent.  Now that's a compliment! |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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To insult someone we call him "bestial." For deliberate cruelty and nature, "human" might be the greater insult.
Isaac Asimov
(Talk about taking a thread down the rat hole.) |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
To insult someone we call him "bestial." For deliberate cruelty and nature, "human" might be the greater insult.
Isaac Asimov
(Talk about taking a thread down the rat hole.) |
This thread was designed to be a rat hole from the beginning. Especially since it had been hashed out in another thread already, the OP must have known what kind of a response he would get.
Funny though, he accuses the law and order types of disappearing...then pulls a disappearing act himself. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Looks like they were even more incompetent than previously thought:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071025/airport_death_071025/20071026?hub=TopStories
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New details emerge in Vancouver airport death
Updated Fri. Oct. 26 2007 12:05 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
CTV has obtained new details that shed light on the minutes and hours leading up to the taser death of a man at Vancouver International Airport.
Police are still looking into how and why Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski died, and how he spent the 10 hours between his arrival in Canada and his death in what is a secure area of the airport.
CTV British Columbia has obtained an airport log that shows a four-minute lag between when Dziekanski lost consciousness and when B.C. ambulance crew members were called, and an almost 15-minute gap between the time he passed out after being tasered, and when the ambulance crew arrived on the scene.
Here is the timeline of events:
* 1:21 a.m. -- Vancouver International Airport calls the RCMP, reporting a 50-year-old male is throwing suitcases and appears to be intoxicated;
* 1:26 -- The passenger has now thrown a chair through a window;
* 1:27 -- Two security guards show up. One minute later, the RCMP arrives;
* 1:30 - A male has been tasered and is unconscious but breathing. Ambulance is called;
* 1:31 -- Security guards help restrain the man, who is now described as a suspect;
* 1:32 -- The log reports that Dziekanski has lost consciousness.
* 1:36 - A Code 3 is issued to paramedics, indicating someone is unconscious.
* 1:44 - Paramedics arrive, 12 minutes after Dziekanski, 40, first slipped into unconsciousness.
Sources told CTV B.C. that a Code 3 call should have been issued to paramedics immediately after the individual became unconscious. However, it wasn't until four minutes later that the Code 3 went out.
It also reports that an on-site emergency responder had told the team at the airport to hold off on immediately upgrading the status of the call.
The new information has prompted members of Vancouver's Polish community to call for changes to the way new immigrants are handled at the airport.
About 100 people gathered at Vancouver's Polish Community Centre for a press conference Thursday. They were there to show their support for Zofia Cisowski, the mother of Dziekanski.
Many said they were upset that such force was used on an unarmed man who couldn't speak English. Others wanted to know why no translator was called to help Dziekanski. Some in the audience also shared their stories about bad treatment they allegedly received at the airport.
Cisowski said she had longed to be with her son for years. She said they were hoping to go into business together.
For years, she would attend school to learn English during the day and at night she would work. She even worked two jobs to save up money so he could come to Canada.
"I was waiting and I was waiting for him," she said at the news conference.
"Our plan was, I would like to open my own small business, and he would help me. But now I lost my only son."
Earlier this week, B.C.'s chief coroner announced an inquest into the death. A preliminary autopsy found there were no signs of trauma or disease that may have led to the death. Officials are still waiting for toxicology tests.
Poland's consul general in Canada told Cisowski and the Polish community that his office will keep tabs on the investigation. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Incompetence, indeed. Let us keep our eye on the ball here and pay attention to the relevant facts as they emerge, as competent observers should.
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| ...Earlier this week, B.C.'s chief coroner announced an inquest into the death. A preliminary autopsy found there were no signs of trauma or disease that may have led to the death. Officials are still waiting for toxicology tests. |
Authorities still have not reached cause-of-death conclusions. Do you not think that calls for a bit of caution before hurling accusations...? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Authorities still have not reached cause-of-death conclusions. Do you not think that calls for a bit of caution before hurling accusations...? |
no. the pigs killed him. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: ... |
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Incompetence, indeed. Let us keep our eye on the ball here and pay attention to the relevant facts as they emerge, as competent observers should.
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Do you regard yourself as a "competent observer"? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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Incompetence, indeed. Let us keep our eye on the ball here and pay attention to the relevant facts as they emerge, as competent observers should.
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Do you regard yourself as a "competent observer"? |
Before you start any comments about competent observers maybe you should answer Conservative's question as it has a direct bearing on this competent observer issue. Where or who is this dead woman you keep going on about? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: ... |
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| Where or who is this dead woman you keep going on about? |
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=91565
I believe I mentioned her once.
This pretty much sums up my sentiment on the issue:
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The organization also expressed concern that tasers continue to be used as a "routine force tool" rather than as a weapon of last resort by law enforcement agencies in the US. In some law-enforcement agencies, the use of tasers is allowed if a person simply does not comply with an officer's demands.
"It is extremely disturbing that tasers are continuing to be used in circumstances in which the suspect does not pose a serious threat to police officers, the public or themselves -- especially given the serious safety concerns around their use," said Susan Lee. "These weapons should never be considered a 'low' or 'intermediate' force option."
Amnesty International is particularly concerned that vulnerable groups such as children, the disabled, pregnant women and people with mental illnesses are also being subjected to electric shocks from tasers -- in some cases amounting to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, or torture.
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| More than 150 people have died in the US after being struck by tasers since June 2001 |
http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR510392006 |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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That is appalling! Repeatedly tasering a wheelchair-bound woman over a period of minutes? How is that in the public interest? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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A man is in hospital and may lose one of his eyes after being hit by a police Taser over the weekend in Toronto.
The province's Special Investigations Unit has been called in to review the incident.
SIU spokesman Frank Phillips said Toronto officers were called to the scene of a domestic dispute in the St. Clair and Dufferin area on Saturday morning.
Phillips said a man who left the scene was confronted by police along St. Clair Avenue.
"The male was quite agitated [and] had been drinking. The officers on scene requested a sergeant attend the scene, and after further interaction with this gentleman, the sergeant deployed the Taser. And one of the probes struck the man in the eye.� we're treating this as a serious injury," said Phillips.
The Taser's hook-like prongs embedded in the man's eye and then delivered a blast of electricity.
The SIU is looking into whether the police were justified in firing the weapon and what caused the man to be hit in the eye.
The unit is called in any time there is a serious injury to a civilian involving police. |
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/10/29/siu-taser.html
Well, I'd never paid much attention to this issue before, but I keep coming across the most appalling stories. I wonder if some police are using this tool much too unnecessarily. Perhaps too, not appreciating (or even having any awareness at all of) the potential dangers involved in tasering. Yesterday I looked at youtube videos where officers didn't look in any physical danger and yet resorted to it, sometimes repeatedly. They seemed to be using it more as punishment for having their authority challenged, rather than because there was no other option available to them. I'm not saying there aren't circumstances where a taser might be the best available option to all involved, but it seems to be that it's being used on the flimsiest of pretexts in many cases. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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RCMP Sued By Man Who Recorded
Fatal Taser Incident At Vancouver Airport
By Terri Theodore, The Canadian Press
VANCOUVER - A man who wants the mystery cleared up over what happened to a Polish man who died after being "zapped" by an RCMP Taser is suing to get his video back.
But the RCMP say the video is evidence in the case and he can't have it back ... yet.
ETC ...
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/airport_taser
ZAP! Your dead!! 
So cute ... "zapping" people.
Hmmmmm, y'know those GUNS work a lot like a really powerful cattle prod 
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