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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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 Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| And all this happens while fellow humans lack food, shelter, health care and essential needs. I love animals, but I take care of humans first (unless they vote for Bush, Gulliani or Romney, then the minks have priority) [sarcasm]. |
How do you personally take care of humans first and how does taking care of humans interfere with caring for animals?
IMO, humans don't take good care of other humans or future generations for that matter. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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| deadman wrote: |
| I'd say this is an example of hacking at the branches, not the root, of what they see as evil. |
Acutally, the goal is to put the fur farmers out of business, so yes I think they were getting right at the root. |
Yeah, environment be damned. Those farmers need to be taken out of business.  |
Until I see some concrete proof (that was devolped from unbiased research), I'm not convinced that these minks will cause any more damage than the humans in the area. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| deadman wrote: |
| I'd say this is an example of hacking at the branches, not the root, of what they see as evil. |
Acutally, the goal is to put the fur farmers out of business, so yes I think they were getting right at the root. |
Yeah, environment be damned. Those farmers need to be taken out of business. |
Until I see some concrete proof (that was devolped from unbiased research), I'm not convinced that these minks will cause any more damage than the humans in the area. |
That's a disingenuous argument. The blame for the ensuing damages doesn't fall on the mink but on the terrorists who deliberately introduced a foreign organism into the ecosystem in total disregard of the known risks. They are no better than industrial polluters. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| deadman wrote: |
| I'd say this is an example of hacking at the branches, not the root, of what they see as evil. |
Acutally, the goal is to put the fur farmers out of business, so yes I think they were getting right at the root. |
Yeah, environment be damned. Those farmers need to be taken out of business. |
Until I see some concrete proof (that was devolped from unbiased research), I'm not convinced that these minks will cause any more damage than the humans in the area. |
That's a disingenuous argument. The blame for the ensuing damages doesn't fall on the mink but on the terrorists who deliberately introduced a foreign organism into the ecosystem in total disregard of the known risks. They are no better than industrial polluters. |
Where's the proof to support your opinion? |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Releasing thousands of non-native species into an eco-system will ALWAYS affect the balance. Hundreds of years of conservation science is all the proof that's needed. In this case many native bird species may now be at risk. Whether you call it destruction or how you would compare it to "destruction" by humans is up to you.
Not giving any opinions on what the activists did or anything, just my two cents as a zoologist. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Those horrid mink
Quite bad if they're American mink
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In recent years, animal rights activists have also released several thousands in their attacks on fur farms. Most of these released captive mink quickly died in the wild, preyed on by dogs or run over by cars.[1]
The larger American male will mate with European Mink females earlier in the spring than the males of the same species; the offspring are not born, but the females do not then breed again that season. This has contributed to the decline of the European species. American Mink have also been implicated in the decline of the Water Vole in the United Kingdom and linked to the decline of water fowl across their range in Europe. They are now considered vermin in much of Europe and are hunted for the purpose of wildlife management. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| deadman wrote: |
| I'd say this is an example of hacking at the branches, not the root, of what they see as evil. |
Acutally, the goal is to put the fur farmers out of business, so yes I think they were getting right at the root. |
Yeah, environment be damned. Those farmers need to be taken out of business. |
lol
eaxactly.
No studies on how this affects the local eco-system.
It's the STATEMENT that counts |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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This article may shed some light on the activists' motives ...
Convicted Activist Speaks |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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That's Peter Young! Here's his website:
http://www.supportpeter.com/updates.htm
He's a very busy and popular guy these days. Take a look at his speaking engagements:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=20076279&blogID=315333557
Peter Young was supported by MANY groups including this one:
http://www.ecoprisoners.org/prisoners.htm
6000 mink were released in Newfoundland. Now I believe this is their native "eco-system" so is this okay for the "defenders of the fur farmers" and so called "people concerned about the envirnment?"
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For Immediate Release
September 20, 2007
6000 Captive Mink Released From Newfoundland Prison
Animal Liberationists Target Renowned Animal Abuser and Profiteer
Harcourt, Newfoundland- As many as 6000 captive mink were released from the Harcourt Mink Farm, located 1 kilometer east of Ryders Brook Bridge, off of Route 232, on Trinity Bay along the eastern coast of Newfoundland, according to police reports.
Imprisoned in cages for life, fur-bearing animals are forced to endure the intensive confinement of only a few square feet of cage, compared to the miles of territory these animals would enjoy in the wild - their natural state. While reports from the fur industry have surfaced that liberations were harmful to the animals, the ALF has a long history of successfully releasing animals into the wild from fur farms. In addition to liberating the wild animals destined to a certain, painful and agonizing death, another goal of the ALF is to cause economic harm to fur farms; dozens of fur farming operations have seen economic ruin since "Operation Bite Back" began by the ALF in the 1990s.
�While some of the wild mink may be recaptured or killed in their escape, at least they have been given a chance at what everyone deserves, a chance to live free� stated Jerry Vlasak, a Press Officer with the Animal Liberation Press Office and former Sea Shepherd Conservation Society board member. "Contrary to the rhetoric of those who profit from the imprisonment and killing of these beautiful, wild creatures, scientific studies have proven captive mink have the innate ability to survive in the wild, do not decimate other animal populations or the environment, and do not carry away small children or pets."
For more information, please visit http://www.animalliberationpressoffice.org/
Contact: NAALPO
6320 Canoga Avenue #1500
Woodland Hills, CA 91367
ph: 818.227-5022
[email protected] |
http://www.animalliberationpressoffice.org/press_releases/pr_07_09_20_newfoundlandminkrelease.htm |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link, Vicissitude. I think it addresses some of the arguments that came up earlier, suggesting that these liberations are always "failures" - either that all the released mink die or that they decimate wild populations.
I don't feel like rehashing everything that's been said in past threads on the subject, but I don't think we can believe everything in the newspapers. The police have reason to lie or exaggerate in cases like this. I believe there was a mink expert named Dr. Nigel Dunstone who wrote a paper a few years ago that put some of the exaggerated claims into perspective.
It's hard to say whether this sort of rescue is a good tactic or not ... and personally, I'm uncomfortable with the number of animals who end up getting recaptured whenever these liberations occur. But I'd never, ever condemn the activists or suggest that they hadn't thought about the consequences of their actions. |
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Lizoid
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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No demand - no industry.
Mink makes everyone look like a blimp anyway. |
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