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| No. It's annoying, but I'll do it. |
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Lizara
Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul
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| No way... McDonald's was a masterpiece of organization and efficiency compared to any of the hagwons I've worked at in Korea. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| I'm out of here in 2 months no matter what. |
Gawd! I still have 4 months left 
You're lucky! |
Yeah...I feel your pain. I've been counting down since hmmm JUNE.
This place is just getting nuttier and nuttier and I think I'm getting out before I completely lose it and completely hate this place. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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If I re-up, it better be because I landed a blisteringly hot girlfriend or am getting 4 - 5 million a month.
Preferably both. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| compared to any of the hagwons I've worked at in Korea. |
Key statement right there.....small personal sample. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Are hagwons doing this or just public schools?
Nobody's seen any of my documents in years... |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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High annoyance factor to be sure...
...their method is not perfect but I suspect it is what they feel is the most efficient for now...even if it does annoy us. |
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Do you really think anyone, at all, thought "This is the most efficient way"?
I think it is more a case of whiplash-ignorance rather than "the most efficient [way] for now". I suspect there was no attempt whatsoever to work out what the most efficient OR effective way of checking foreign teachers is.
Let's hope this paper-storm turns into a new, efficient way of managing those of us who hold E-2s. Specifically: Recording our diplomas, transcripts, and, now, our criminal record checks. So that we don't have to show them again once we're recorded as being safe. It'll save THEM work in the long run and let them focus their attentions on new applicants rather than people who've been checked half a dozen times already. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| Do you really think anyone, at all, thought "This is the most efficient way"? |
I think bureaucrats took the easy road...and this does not surprise me one bit.
I too hope it will lead to a more structured check & verification system....but with bureaucracy you never can tell....
I think bureaucrats the world over go to the same bureaucrat school...  |
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Mr Crowley
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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[search out the non-existant nirvana!  [/quote]
That is life's major challenge. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| Do you really think anyone, at all, thought "This is the most efficient way"? |
I think bureaucrats took the easy road...and this does not surprise me one bit.
I too hope it will lead to a more structured check & verification system....but with bureaucracy you never can tell....
I think bureaucrats the world over go to the same bureaucrat school... |
100% agreed.
Does NOONE on this board have contacts with the Ministry of Education? I'd love them to start checking us then RECORDING the data. I'm going to have to order some more transcripts in another year and I don't want to do that again. With criminal checks doubly so. Immi could be SO much more effective if they only had to check new applicants rather than those of people who've been here years and years. Then they could actually do a thorough check by making phone calls and sending letters etc. rather than just requesting more bits of paper.
An actual degree certificate takes some effort to fake. But the transcripts and criminal record checks? they can be printed out by any muppet at home easily enough. They're worthless in terms of stopping unqualified teachers (and less than worthless in terms of stopping pedos and criminals).
I think the immigration department needs to hire some English speakers so they can check up on their teachers instead of requesting thousands of more bits of paper which are much more easily faked than the degree certificate they already require. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
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| Do you really think anyone, at all, thought "This is the most efficient way"? |
I think bureaucrats took the easy road...and this does not surprise me one bit.
I too hope it will lead to a more structured check & verification system....but with bureaucracy you never can tell....
I think bureaucrats the world over go to the same bureaucrat school... |
100% agreed.
Does NOONE on this board have contacts with the Ministry of Education? I'd love them to start checking us then RECORDING the data. I'm going to have to order some more transcripts in another year and I don't want to do that again. With criminal checks doubly so. Immi could be SO much more effective if they only had to check new applicants rather than those of people who've been here years and years. Then they could actually do a thorough check by making phone calls and sending letters etc. rather than just requesting more bits of paper.
An actual degree certificate takes some effort to fake. But the transcripts and criminal record checks? they can be printed out by any muppet at home easily enough. They're worthless in terms of stopping unqualified teachers (and less than worthless in terms of stopping pedos and criminals).
I think the immigration department needs to hire some English speakers so they can check up on their teachers instead of requesting thousands of more bits of paper which are much more easily faked than the degree certificate they already require. |
What is needed is cooperation between governments. If the Korean police service could request checks through official channels, that would be a huge step. Same with a university database which could be queried, again, through official channels.
If these governments would work together, we wouldn't be so inconvenienced. Of course, all actions would be taken only with consent from the applicant (teacher). So, the Korean gov't sends requests for graduation confirmation and the Korean police service asks for clearance for a particular individual. This would make faking impossible, ease our burden and act as a barrier to those felons/freaks seeking to evade the law.
No personal info would have to be divulged. The Korean query would simply come back as "Mr. James Kirk, graduated, XXX university, March, 1999" and "No records found". |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
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| Do you really think anyone, at all, thought "This is the most efficient way"? |
I think bureaucrats took the easy road...and this does not surprise me one bit.
I too hope it will lead to a more structured check & verification system....but with bureaucracy you never can tell....
I think bureaucrats the world over go to the same bureaucrat school... |
100% agreed.
Does NOONE on this board have contacts with the Ministry of Education? I'd love them to start checking us then RECORDING the data. I'm going to have to order some more transcripts in another year and I don't want to do that again. With criminal checks doubly so. Immi could be SO much more effective if they only had to check new applicants rather than those of people who've been here years and years. Then they could actually do a thorough check by making phone calls and sending letters etc. rather than just requesting more bits of paper.
An actual degree certificate takes some effort to fake. But the transcripts and criminal record checks? they can be printed out by any muppet at home easily enough. They're worthless in terms of stopping unqualified teachers (and less than worthless in terms of stopping pedos and criminals).
I think the immigration department needs to hire some English speakers so they can check up on their teachers instead of requesting thousands of more bits of paper which are much more easily faked than the degree certificate they already require. |
What is needed is cooperation between governments. If the Korean police service could request checks through official channels, that would be a huge step. Same with a university database which could be queried, again, through official channels.
If these governments would work together, we wouldn't be so inconvenienced. Of course, all actions would be taken only with consent from the applicant (teacher). So, the Korean gov't sends requests for graduation confirmation and the Korean police service asks for clearance for a particular individual. This would make faking impossible, ease our burden and act as a barrier to those felons/freaks seeking to evade the law.
No personal info would have to be divulged. The Korean query would simply come back as "Mr. James Kirk, graduated, XXX university, March, 1999" and "No records found". |
that'll never happen....
that would just make too much sense wouldn't it?
efficiency means massive layoff so korean labor union will never allow that to happen. so let them keep chuggling mindless paper work. |
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