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Anarchism - What's your view?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Being part of an anarchist group defeats the purpose of being an anarchist, doesn't it?


No.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to beliefs that people are inherently good and can organize themselves without government or bureaucracies; another type of political order."[1]
"A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[2]
"Absence or non-recognition of authority in any given sphere."[3]
or, simply, (from Greek: an-, "without" and Greek: -archy, "leadership")

Without leadership. Hence, the common use of anarchism as a system of organization without leaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Anarchy: A complete horizontal social structure.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_and_present_anarchist_communities

Here is a list of 'Anarchist Communities' though none really fit the definition above.

It would seem in a military anarchy the military would be the authority, or in a slave owner anarchy the the slave owner would be the authority, or in a court base anarchy the court would be the authority and so on.

I think most anarchist are trying to fool us while they are fooling themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_and_present_anarchist_communities
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to beliefs that people are inherently good and can organize themselves without government or bureaucracies; another type of political order."[1]
"A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[2]
"Absence or non-recognition of authority in any given sphere."[3]
or, simply, (from Greek: an-, "without" and Greek: -archy, "leadership")

Without leadership. Hence, the common use of anarchism as a system of organization without leaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Anarchy: A complete horizontal social structure.


More applicable would be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Quote:
Anarchism (from Greek αναρχία, "without archons," "without rulers")[1] is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which reject compulsory government[2] and support its elimination,[3][4] often due to a wider rejection of involuntary or permanent authority.[5] Anarchism is defined by The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics as "a cluster of doctrines and attitudes centered on the belief that government is both harmful and unnecessary."[6]

There are many types and traditions of anarchism,[7][8] not all of which are mutually exclusive.[9] According to one reference, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold," beyond their rejection of compulsory government, "and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance."[10] Anarchists hold different views as to the economic organisation of society; some favor libertarian communism, collectivist anarchism or participatory economics while others support free market systems like mutualism, agorism, or anarcho-capitalism.[11] Anarchist schools of thought may differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[12]

(sorry, no time to deal with the many footnotes in the passage. See the linked wikipedia entry for direct citation.)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An example of a successful Anarchy is "The Ottoman Corsair's".

"The Ottoman Corsair's or Barbary pirates were anarchical military republics that survived for more than three hundred years (1500-1830)[3]. This community developed an economy based upon slave-hunting and the sale of slaves, raiding Europe for slaves as far north as Iceland."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_and_present_anarchist_communities#An_Early_Anarchist_Community_in_North_Africa
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to beliefs that people are inherently good and can organize themselves without government or bureaucracies; another type of political order."[1]
"A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[2]
"Absence or non-recognition of authority in any given sphere."[3]
or, simply, (from Greek: an-, "without" and Greek: -archy, "leadership")

Without leadership. Hence, the common use of anarchism as a system of organization without leaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Anarchy: A complete horizontal social structure.


You wanna see Anarchism up close and personal? Pay Somalia a visit.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
"The Ottoman Corsair's ..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_and_present_anarchist_communities#An_Early_Anarchist_Community_in_North_Africa


Wow, even Wikipedia is a victim of apostrophe inflation.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best stage, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best stage, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine


Thomas Paine was, and remains, over-rated.

Kuros
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
cbclark4 wrote:
Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best stage, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine


Thomas Paine was, and remains, over-rated.

Kuros


I like your ideas, idea-man; they're fiendishly clever in their intricacies, and I would like to sign up for your broadsheet.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

faster wrote:
Kuros wrote:
cbclark4 wrote:
Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best stage, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine


Thomas Paine was, and remains, over-rated.

Kuros


I like your ideas, idea-man; they're fiendishly clever in their intricacies, and I would like to sign up for your broadsheet.


No, you don't.

Look, I just seriously think Thomas Paine's main contribution was as cheerleader for the American revolution. Take his thoughts out of that context, and the content of the man's words pale in actual comparison to his influence on the creation of one of the most important powers in the world.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent.
John Jay

Those who own the country ought to govern it.
John Jay
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.
Samuel Adams

The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule.
Samuel Adams
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent.
John Jay

Those who own the country ought to govern it.
John Jay


Much better. See how John Jay's elitism heads off his anarchism? Laughing

Quote:
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.
Samuel Adams

The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule.
Samuel Adams


You know, you're pretty fast. Do you have a quote-book or something? Or is this all from memory?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Books are obsolete.
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