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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities.
Thomas Paine |
Here's your actualities:
give me a hypothesis about Guiliani knowing the tower was coming down. Give me a hypothesis about why the WTC7 beams were vaporized. Give me a hypothesis about why the pentagon stood down, an hour and a half after the first plane hit. Give me a hypothesis why 1/59 tapes of the pentagon have been released to the public. Give me a hypothesis why the NIST report has not been released on WTC7. Give me a hypothesis about why the 9/11 commission timeline of Cheney being in the bunker does not match with his own stated whereabouts that morning.
Now let's see your reasoning on these points, Thomas Paine. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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It's not even the look I'm pointing out. It's the sound. There's a complete absence of any explosives. A controlled demolition without any explosives.
The holes in the CDT are too deep to explore. But why bother when the obvious lack of explosives rests the case. |
but there isn't an absense of explosives.
again.
LOTS of witness TESTIMONY from FIREFIGHTERS
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some videos confirm the presence of sounds of explosions.
the above is FACT
that is evidence buddy boy. you can twist your mind and warp your logic all you want but it isn't going to take it away.
and Joo can post "debunking 911" that will say "those sounds could have been anything".
i would agree that the above theory could cast a shadow of dooubt for certain video with explosions.
however, there are very clear reports of people seeing exactly what you demand. why no video? cuz the people close enough were busy helping people.
Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building. Interview, 11/07/01, New York Times
he is explaining the video you want to see....
Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
Meanwhile we were standing there with about five companies and we were just waiting for our assignment and then there was an explosion in the south tower, which, according to this map, this exposure just blew out the flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.
Interview, 12/10/01, New York Times
he is explaining the synchronized bombs i was describing...
this is evidence, deal with it.
again, this is only a part of a larger whole. CDT does not rest solely on finding a video that looks just like a traditional CD. there is plenty of evidence for explosions occuring.
together with other evidence, it supports CDT a lot better than the 'official story'.
remember? even DNA may have been produced in the collapse under the official story according to some...and you call us the conspiracy theorists?
haha...your denial is amusing.
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| Do you actually believe the lies you tell? There are no explosions before or during the collapse. The "squibs" only exist on a few floors (why not every floor with explosives?) and are totally different than demolition squibs. |
do you even know what a squib is? go educate yourself about a squib and you will realize the stupidity of your question.
and again, you are asserting your opinion as fact. many other people who were ACTUALLY there have said that there were explosives.
those explosives have even been reported on the mainstream media
Explosions at WTCs is recorded in the oral histories....these accounts will continue into history.
i'd say that is pretty strong evidence for explosives.
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| No explosions = no explosives = no controlled demolition |
can you say that 10 times fast? bet you can't. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Joo. I don't even think you have read these yourself.
read a book. I suggest this one
"Debunking 911 Debunking"
-the fallacies in debunking 911 are meant to slip by the laymen, the regular joe. your continuous references only show that you haven't researched the topic enough.
I truly don't understand your motivations. The benefits of the ideology you embrace will not be recieved by yourself. You will be left out of the equation in the end if the Neocons are successful in continuing their policies. You stand so strong for an ideology that will only marginalize you when the time is right. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities.
Thomas Paine |
true say. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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A fearful man is always hearing things.
Sophocles |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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A fearful man is always hearing things.
Sophocles |
conversations with fear:
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"te voices keep telling me"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition'"
"no explosives=no explosions=no controled demolition"
"can you hear them?" "they keep me safe" |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
A fearful man is always hearing things.
Sophocles |
-A pile of shit has a thousand eyes
Anonymous |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Joo. I don't even think you have read these yourself.
read a book. I suggest this one
"Debunking 911 Debunking"
-the fallacies in debunking 911 are meant to slip by the laymen, the regular joe. your continuous references only show that you haven't researched the topic enough.
I truly don't understand your motivations. The benefits of the ideology you embrace will not be recieved by yourself. You will be left out of the equation in the end if the Neocons are successful in continuing their policies. You stand so strong for an ideology that will only marginalize you when the time is right. |
I does a great job of debunking 9-11 conspiracy theories by the way may 9-11 conspiracy theorists are also holocaust deniers. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
Joo. I don't even think you have read these yourself.
read a book. I suggest this one
"Debunking 911 Debunking"
-the fallacies in debunking 911 are meant to slip by the laymen, the regular joe. your continuous references only show that you haven't researched the topic enough.
I truly don't understand your motivations. The benefits of the ideology you embrace will not be recieved by yourself. You will be left out of the equation in the end if the Neocons are successful in continuing their policies. You stand so strong for an ideology that will only marginalize you when the time is right. |
I does a great job of debunking 9-11 conspiracy theories by the way may 9-11 conspiracy theorists are also holocaust deniers. |
the us government pays people to do what you do.
i really hope you are getting your cut too.
or are you waiting in good faith?
again.
'Debunkin 911 Debunking' will shatter your reality surrounging 9/11.
On second thought, maybe you shouldn't read it. I assume having one's reality shattered isn't a pleasant experience. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
Joo. I don't even think you have read these yourself.
read a book. I suggest this one
"Debunking 911 Debunking"
-the fallacies in debunking 911 are meant to slip by the laymen, the regular joe. your continuous references only show that you haven't researched the topic enough.
I truly don't understand your motivations. The benefits of the ideology you embrace will not be recieved by yourself. You will be left out of the equation in the end if the Neocons are successful in continuing their policies. You stand so strong for an ideology that will only marginalize you when the time is right. |
I does a great job of debunking 9-11 conspiracy theories by the way may 9-11 conspiracy theorists are also holocaust deniers. |
the us government pays people to do what you do.
i really hope you are getting your cut too.
or are you waiting in good faith?
again.
'Debunkin 911 Debunking' will shatter your reality surrounging 9/11.
On second thought, maybe you shouldn't read it. I assume having one's reality shattered isn't a pleasant experience. |
Just make the charges.
If there was a conspiracy to blow up the WTC it was probably done by the 9-11 conspiracy theorists themselves. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
Joo. I don't even think you have read these yourself.
read a book. I suggest this one
"Debunking 911 Debunking"
-the fallacies in debunking 911 are meant to slip by the laymen, the regular joe. your continuous references only show that you haven't researched the topic enough.
I truly don't understand your motivations. The benefits of the ideology you embrace will not be recieved by yourself. You will be left out of the equation in the end if the Neocons are successful in continuing their policies. You stand so strong for an ideology that will only marginalize you when the time is right. |
I does a great job of debunking 9-11 conspiracy theories by the way may 9-11 conspiracy theorists are also holocaust deniers. |
the us government pays people to do what you do.
i really hope you are getting your cut too.
or are you waiting in good faith?
again.
'Debunkin 911 Debunking' will shatter your reality surrounging 9/11.
On second thought, maybe you shouldn't read it. I assume having one's reality shattered isn't a pleasant experience. |
Just make the charges.
If there was a conspiracy to blow up the WTC it was probably done by the 9-11 conspiracy theorists themselves. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| It is as valid as any conspiracy theory that the 9-11 conspiracy theorists were behind the 9-11 attacks. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| It is as valid as any conspiracy theory that the 9-11 conspiracy theorists were behind the 9-11 attacks. |
in fact you have a point.
CDT does not have a hypothesis pertaining to who planted the bombs.
So, if we assume all things are possible, then yes, CDT people may have put the bombs in the building.
who do you think put the bombs in there joo? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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It's not even the look I'm pointing out. It's the sound. There's a complete absence of any explosives. A controlled demolition without any explosives.
The holes in the CDT are too deep to explore. But why bother when the obvious lack of explosives rests the case. |
but there isn't an absense of explosives.
again.
LOTS of witness TESTIMONY from FIREFIGHTERS
and
some videos confirm the presence of sounds of explosions. |
Yeah, explosions after the collapses occurred. Which obviously had nothing to do with the collapses. The firemen may have heard similar explosions before the collapse. But again, they had nothing to do with the collapse.
How many people can testify that they saw the Virgin Mary in a piece of toast? Or that the were captured by aliens from space? Or that they saw Elvis in the last 20 years? Do you believe all of those reports as well?
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| however, there are very clear reports of people seeing exactly what you demand. why no video? cuz the people close enough were busy helping people. |
We have video. It just doesn't show what you want. And what the CDT needs to retain any sort of validity.
Frankly, I'm done with your obfuscation. They only thing I've learned in this thread is where the bottom of the bell curve resides. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:42 am Post subject: |
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^grrrreeaaat closing arguement.
"everyone is lying and there are no videos with explosions!!!!"
you aren't kidding. this is done. |
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