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How can you tell if a degree is fake?
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's awarded to your director from an American university (and he can't write an English sentence).

And it's hanging on the reception wall (in a large gold frame) where all prospective parents/students can see it.

And when you google the university and it doesn't offer a Masters of Educational Science degree.

Query: Is it possible to get a masters degree from an American university without being able to write a complete or logical sentence?
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The Soju Hoju



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my Korean immigration officer friend you can ascertain whether it's fake or not by looking into the persons eyes and observing truth or lie movements.




He's a liar no doubt
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:

Query: Is it possible to get a masters degree from an American university without being able to write a complete or logical sentence?


Yes, it is absolutely possible. I taught grad students ESL in an American university. It was a cohort group from Taiwan, which meant that they all took the same classes together. Americans were not allowed to take the same sections of a course as the Taiwanese.

What they do is, they memorize the answers they're going to use on their upcoming tests. Then everyone in class writes the same answers to the same questions. The department doesn't want its international program to get a bad reputation (and the admin doesn't want to lose all that revenue) so they just pass 'em on through.

There were several (well over half) students who couldn't even string a sentence together, yet they all received MAs in Education or (worse) TESOL in just under a year. Also, the TOEFL was not required at our school unless they wanted to go on for a Ph.D.
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agentX



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the degree comes from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning
then it is probably fake.
I use probably because of the number of schools on this list that are Christian schools which do not want to be accredited for 'separation of church and state' reasons.

Yeah, try and contain the laughter...if you don't think it's funny, read about what's going on with the Air Force and the Christian Taliban infiltration of the ranks.

The funny one- University of Central Europe, in Pascagoula, Mississippi.

The MOE was using the wikipedia list as their means of checking which schools are not accredited. I had to remind my co-teacher that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anybody can edit, so the list should not be used as part of the investigation because it may not be 100% accurate.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The World Higher Education Database (IAU/UNESCO) List of accredited schools throughout the world is probably an OK place to check for schools.

http://www.unesco.org/iau/onlinedatabases/list.html

But it has to be taken with the caveat in mind:
The names of all universities and university level institutions, as provided to IAU by national authorities and competent bodies from 184 countries around the world, are included in this list organized by country.
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faster



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it belongs to Itaewonguy:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1383483&highlight=#1383483
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
The World Higher Education Database (IAU/UNESCO) List of accredited schools throughout the world is probably an OK place to check for schools.

http://www.unesco.org/iau/onlinedatabases/list.html

But it has to be taken with the caveat in mind:
The names of all universities and university level institutions, as provided to IAU by national authorities and competent bodies from 184 countries around the world, are included in this list organized by country.


I decided to look just for the hell of it: MY SCHOOL'S NOT LISTED! But a school that closed down my senior year is listed. It shut down and apparently has reopened as a low residency college. How interesting.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
oldfatfarang wrote:

Query: Is it possible to get a masters degree from an American university without being able to write a complete or logical sentence?


Yes, it is absolutely possible. I taught grad students ESL in an American university. It was a cohort group from Taiwan, which meant that they all took the same classes together. Americans were not allowed to take the same sections of a course as the Taiwanese.

What they do is, they memorize the answers they're going to use on their upcoming tests. Then everyone in class writes the same answers to the same questions. The department doesn't want its international program to get a bad reputation (and the admin doesn't want to lose all that revenue) so they just pass 'em on through.

There were several (well over half) students who couldn't even string a sentence together, yet they all received MAs in Education or (worse) TESOL in just under a year. Also, the TOEFL was not required at our school unless they wanted to go on for a Ph.D.


This is just so wrong. I don't even know where to begin to discuss it.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
Query: Is it possible to get a masters degree from an American university without being able to write a complete or logical sentence?


My university was in Canada, but we had lots of engineering students from abroad- a large minority from China. Many of them spoke very, very little English. They graduated because they understood enough to do the assignments, worked with other Chinese speakers, and excelled at the technical (e.g. math) aspects of the curriculum.
I imagine its' the same at some American universities too.
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anyway



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...if it's issued by a Korean university.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fake diploma? Usually the person with the fake diploma can't remember anything about their "college years" and can barely teach kindy. Yes, I've worked with at least two of these numbnutts, possibly more.
As for the physical diploma- look for signs that it's just a copy. The paper should be thicker than regular copy paper and the diploma should be larger than a regular piece of paper.
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