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Thinking of taking some Korean classes... advice?

 
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Thinking of taking some Korean classes... advice? Reply with quote

I've been here for about a month and a half. I've been studying Korean on my own mostly, with some help from coworkers and friends here. I'm using books, online videos, paying attention to the language being used around me and asking questions. My Korean's been improving quickly enough that I can notice progress, my pronunciation is good, and my grammar is not so bad. My vocabulary really sucks, but it's getting better. It also helps that I know quite a bit of Chinese, and with so many borrowed words from both Chinese and English, things are OK.

But still conversations are pretty challenging for me. I can understand a decent bit if people speak slowly, and when I can't understand I ask questions until I do, but speaking is hard; I often end up in conversations that start out in Korean and end up mostly in English. :/

I especially want to learn Korean to communicate well with my Korean friends here. They're helping me learn, but I find things are still slow. Maybe I'm just impatient. Embarassed

Anyway, I'm thinking of taking a class. Have you found Korean classes here useful, or am I better off continuing to learn mostly on my own? Does anyone know of any good classes near JangJi station?
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Kevtron



Joined: 17 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been having the same problem and asked something similar a couple days ago. If you have the time (which I don't unfortunately due to work) check yonsei university.
I just found a friend who is learning from a professional teacher, kinda hagwon like, but private lessons, which I may try as I need the structure of a class, and I need HW to really be effective at learning.
Sounds like you do better than I though by yourself. Good luck.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, your description of your Korean ability would pretty much match what I would say about mine after a year and a half here. So if you're not exaggerating, kudos for doing so well already.

Why don't you try ublove or koreanfriendfinder for a language exchange partner? Also, have you found the "Let's Speak Korean" series with Steven Revere and Lisa Kelly? Its not near as good as the Ahn Chakhee series, but the conversations and vocabulary is much more advanced, and you can get the new phrases with repeated viewings.

I fail to see why people would bother spending money on classes unless they are looking for a high fluency in the language when there are so many free options available.

Good luck.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, for the life of me, don't understand how Chinese can get you very much ahead in learning Korean. Yeah, some words are derived from Chinese, but whatever. It's not like they're exactly the same or anything. I know a lot of Chinese and I don't see it helping me learn Korean. I don't even associate the two. I might see a word and think "Oh yeah. That looks like it comes from Chinese." That's about it.
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not exaggerating, but I do rely a lot on context to help me out when listening, and without it I'm mostly lost unless it's a really simple conversation. Also conversations tend to be simple since my friends know I don't speak much Korean at all. They also use gestures a lot to help. But it's amazing what context can do for comprehension.

Actually, most tend to speak to me mostly in English. I have one friend who is constantly suprised when I say anything in Korean.. even anything simple like "감사합니다" after a dance or something. There is one girl who has been speaking to me in Korean only.. only a few scattered words in English if I don't understand. But she speaks so slowly and clearly that I rarely have much difficulty understanding her. As the converstation goes on, though, my replies tend to be all in English because of vocabulary I don't know. Most of my friends tend to fit in between those two extremes, of course.

It also doesn't help that I'm really shy about my crappy Korean. I try anyway, and I'm not at all new to language learning, so you figure I'd be used to it by now, but I still have to force myself to try.

I've been following the Ahn Chakhee series for online videos. I'll check out the Steven Revere and Lisa Kelly ones, though, thanks!
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
I, for the life of me, don't understand how Chinese can get you very much ahead in learning Korean. Yeah, some words are derived from Chinese, but whatever. It's not like they're exactly the same or anything. I know a lot of Chinese and I don't see it helping me learn Korean. I don't even associate the two. I might see a word and think "Oh yeah. That looks like it comes from Chinese." That's about it.


It helps a bit with vocabulary here and there.. not much, but it does. It helped me with the numbers (not the Korean ones, but the ones from Chinese used for money and the like), which are similar too. It helps me to remember it better if I do associate similar words. It's random vocab, mostly, like grapes, tea, or tofu. Words that are similar to Chinese are easier to remember for me than totally new words, though.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
I, for the life of me, don't understand how Chinese can get you very much ahead in learning Korean. Yeah, some words are derived from Chinese, but whatever. It's not like they're exactly the same or anything. I know a lot of Chinese and I don't see it helping me learn Korean. I don't even associate the two. I might see a word and think "Oh yeah. That looks like it comes from Chinese." That's about it.


A huge percentage of Korean is derived from Chinese.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

butlerian wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
I, for the life of me, don't understand how Chinese can get you very much ahead in learning Korean. Yeah, some words are derived from Chinese, but whatever. It's not like they're exactly the same or anything. I know a lot of Chinese and I don't see it helping me learn Korean. I don't even associate the two. I might see a word and think "Oh yeah. That looks like it comes from Chinese." That's about it.


A huge percentage of Korean is derived from Chinese.


And?

Knowing Chinese isn't going to get you very far in learning Korean. Some Korean words are similar to Chinese words. That's the extent of it.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
butlerian wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
I, for the life of me, don't understand how Chinese can get you very much ahead in learning Korean. Yeah, some words are derived from Chinese, but whatever. It's not like they're exactly the same or anything. I know a lot of Chinese and I don't see it helping me learn Korean. I don't even associate the two. I might see a word and think "Oh yeah. That looks like it comes from Chinese." That's about it.


A huge percentage of Korean is derived from Chinese.


And?

Knowing Chinese isn't going to get you very far in learning Korean. Some Korean words are similar to Chinese words. That's the extent of it.


Some English words are similar to German words. Helped me learn German a lot.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vocab is fine, but you need to learn more than just vocab. You have to learn how to string together sentences. I met a lady here a few years ago who said it took her a year to be able to string together one sentence. Geez!
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