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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| You obviously can't bring any good arguments to this discussion. |
You are quite right that I refuse to get involved in a discussion of this issue--because I regard it as a non-issue. To debate nonsense like this means I would have to enter the world of delusional thinking. |
Hmm, let's see. 40% of Americans believe that the American Government is lying about what happened on 9/11. And you believe it is a non-issue. I always knew you were an elitist, Ya-Ta.
If you care so much about your country, shouldn't you at least be concerned about acknowledging that the Pentagon was left totally unprotected on 9/11? If you don't acknowledge a mistake, then you can't fix it, and it can happen again. The next time it could also be the White House (perhaps a blessing) or the Congress.
Not to mention the millions of steel-structured buildings that need to be internally evaluated, so as not to collapse from a fire. Millions of people's lives could be at stake.  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ...lets [sic] try this again. |
Certainly. See the OP.
I note you have still failed to produce any direct evidence at all and we find ourselves on this thead's seventh page today.
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Hmm, let's see. 40% of Americans believe that the American Government is lying... |
ROFL. Again.
This statistic, probably yet another spontaneously-invented number, would seem to offer evidence of something. But it cannot stand as direct evidence vis-a-vis 9/11 itself.
Further, people like Michael Moore and you are hard to deal with. One day you assert one thing; the next day another. So which is it? Are "Americans" the stupidest people on the planet or the most perceptive...? |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...lets [sic] try this again. |
Certainly. See the OP.
I note you have still failed to produce any direct evidence at all and we find ourselves on this thead's seventh page today.
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so will direct evidence supporting the hypothesis that CD brought down the WTC buildings be enough?
or are you looking for direct evidence that links a person or a group of people to CD of WTCs?
OP isn't clear about that issue.
and, evidence that can only be explained under one hypothesis is direct evidence, right?
Wiki definition doesn't specify. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Listen, I do not believe I can help you. I merely wanted to satisfy myself (and others semed to be interested to see what you would do as well when pressed to put your direct evidence on the table). And I am satisfied.
Come back. Have your last word. I am tired of this now. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Listen, I do not believe I can help you. I merely wanted to satisfy myself (and others semed to be interested to see what you would do as well when pressed to put your direct evidence on the table). And I am satisfied.
Come back. Have your last word. I am tired of this now. |
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| A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr. Barnett said. |
(http://www.geocities.com/streakingobject/07NYTimes7WTCwhy.html)
I cleary demonstrated that melted steel is NOT explainable under the official story.
And I cleary demonstrated that it IS explainable under CDT.
that means melted steel is direct evidence for CDT unless you can propose another hypothesis.
It still stands, melted steel DIRECTLY opposes the official story.
your perverse intentions were transparent from start. however you initiated the post, and are obligated to respond to the 'melted steel' evidence i provided.
if you cant, then i have no choice but to stick to my previous statement
"OP has run away with tail between legs" |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nice.
You should try viewing some of the sites you posted. The points you say were refuted are completely avoided, or at least I can't find mention of them. |
Every single point you made was refuted by Screw Loose Change. |
You're right. I am wrong. I apologize. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...lets [sic] try this again. |
Certainly. See the OP.
I note you have still failed to produce any direct evidence at all and we find ourselves on this thead's seventh page today.
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Hmm, let's see. 40% of Americans believe that the American Government is lying... |
ROFL. Again.
This statistic, probably yet another spontaneously-invented number, would seem to offer evidence of something. But it cannot stand as direct evidence vis-a-vis 9/11 itself.
Further, people like Michael Moore and you are hard to deal with. One day you assert one thing; the next day another. So which is it? Are "Americans" the stupidest people on the planet or the most perceptive...? |
You would be a great tabloid journalist. You have an art of taking things out of context. Oh, and the way you managed to take a point I was making with Ya-Ta that had nothing to do with evidence, and to apply it to a discussion of evidence, brilliant. Oh, and asserting that Michael Moore and myself have called Americans the stupidest people on the planet, when neither is the case, you certainly have a bright future ahead of you at "The News of the World". Good Luck with that. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| quote="blaseblasphemener"]Hmm, let's see. 40% of Americans believe that the American Government is lying... |
ROFL. Again.
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| This statistic, probably yet another spontaneously-invented number: |
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By THOMAS HARGROVE
Scripps Howard News Service
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.
The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.
Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were "an inside job" _ the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet _ quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy's assassination and that it has covered up proof of space aliens.
More than a third. Meaning more than 33%. I said 40%. Looks like I was off by up to 7%, considering margin of error. Sorry about that Gopher. With your history of quote manipulation and made up attributions, I'm sure you can sympathize. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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or how about this gopher and Yata? Looks like you believe the large majority of Americans like to wear Aluminum Tin foil hats.
Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll
A monumental new scientific opinion poll has emerged which declares that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks.
According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.
A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington rose from almost a third to almost half over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters of the population.
In 2004 a Zogby Poll showed that just over half of New Yorkers believed there was a cover up.
In May of this year another Zogby pol l indicated that around half of ALL Americans did not buy the official story.
The latest poll also shows a massive awakening has occurred recently given that previous estimates indicated that around 34% still believed the official story and around 30% were oblivious altogether . |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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or how about this gopher and Yata? Looks like you believe the large majority of Americans like to wear Aluminum Tin foil hats.
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OK, 53% say the government is hiding something. Does that automatically translate into what they are hiding is that Bush and Co. planned and pulled off 9/11? I don't think so.
I suspect it means they think the government is hiding evidence of their incompetence and/or mistakes made that day. A different kettle of fish from the tripe you are peddling.
(The fact that 51% of the voting population voted for Bush in '00 does not give me confidence in their astuteness.) |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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or how about this gopher and Yata? Looks like you believe the large majority of Americans like to wear Aluminum Tin foil hats.
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OK, 53% say the government is hiding something. Does that automatically translate into what they are hiding is that Bush and Co. planned and pulled off 9/11? I don't think so.
I suspect it means they think the government is hiding evidence of their incompetence and/or mistakes made that day. A different kettle of fish from the tripe you are peddling.
(The fact that 51% of the voting population voted for Bush in '00 does not give me confidence in their astuteness.) |
your reasoning has merit.
would you agree that a new investigation is needed? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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or how about this gopher and Yata? Looks like you believe the large majority of Americans like to wear Aluminum Tin foil hats.
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OK, 53% say the government is hiding something. Does that automatically translate into what they are hiding is that Bush and Co. planned and pulled off 9/11? I don't think so.
I suspect it means they think the government is hiding evidence of their incompetence and/or mistakes made that day. A different kettle of fish from the tripe you are peddling.
(The fact that 51% of the voting population voted for Bush in '00 does not give me confidence in their astuteness.) |
You have just illustrated why your position is so dangerous. You acknowledge there is very likely hidden information, and you acknowledge you don't know what that hidden information is (logically), yet you are not interested in fighting for that truth, as you have shown by trying to pour water on any questioning of the official story.
Honestly, the Santa Claus analogy I made earlier seems very appropriate. You really don't seem to want the truth to come out. Fortunately, many others are not so docile. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| blase, is it true that you Truthers are government moles out to uncover people who don't trust the government, so they can be the first ones eliminated? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| blase, is it true that you Truthers are government moles out to uncover people who don't trust the government, so they can be the first ones eliminated? |
If you mean by "Truthers", someone who doesn't believe the governments official story, than yes, I am a "Truther". Do you believe the official story? If you don't, than by my definition, you are a truther. |
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