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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Could The Japan Crisis Happen In Korea? |
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It's an axiom based on reality among foreign teachers how Korean employers in the English language field can excel at giving foreign teachers the business.
But how about running the business? Now that one very large chain in Japan has 'gone Nova', so to speak (in other words, Nova no va), it raises the question: are large Korean chains so well managed--or simply adequately financially backed somehow--that such a thing could never happen in Korea?
New schools rise and fall everyday, but a crisis of that proportion? What are the odds? I know it's not a popular thought, but I think teachers in Japan also never imagined such a thing--partly because no one let them know. So, also, are Korean teachers more in the know about the business of their schools than those at Nova were? |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| While I have been witness to one major chain having financial difficulties (ALS in 2004), I don't think there is any one chain here with enough market share to put such a large segment of the teaching population out on its arse. Maybe CDI, but even then I don't think they are as big as NOVA. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Could The Japan Crisis Happen In Korea? |
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| Been There, Taught That wrote: |
| Now that one very large chain in Japan has 'gone Nova', so to speak (in other words, Nova no va) |
i thought the 'supernova' allusion was more obvious: exploding star |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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The Chevy Nova failed in Spanish speaking countries like Mexico because it means "No go."
I agree, the market in Japan was dominated by the "Big 4" companies. This won't happen in Korea. Currently, some politicians are spouting that they want a native speaker in EVERY school. No job losses here. |
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Aurora_Redwinters
Joined: 27 Oct 2007
Location: Florida
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Plus Korea didn't invite pocky, "Kawaaiiiii!", and big-breasted animated cat girls. So not as many people want to come to Korea because it lacks the "it" factor that Japan has/had(?) |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, then, it's the first time I've ever been glad about Korea being an unpopular place to teach English. I think Japan will suddenly see a lot of potential teachers from abroad steering away, maybe toward Korea. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| In my first year I used to work for a franchise that closed around December 2004. Funny, I can't remember the name of it now. They busted an English teacher at one branch who was stealing clients for his own private lessons, and for revenge he ratted on the company, which ended up with the CEO going to jail. It must've had a few hundred English teachers, but probably most of them went independent. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| In my first year I used to work for a franchise that closed around December 2004. Funny, I can't remember the name of it now. They busted an English teacher at one branch who was stealing clients for his own private lessons, and for revenge he ratted on the company, which ended up with the CEO going to jail. It must've had a few hundred English teachers, but probably most of them went independent. |
I heard through the grapevine that there are up to 12000 unfilled native-speaker teaching positions here. Even if the whole retinue of 5000 Nova teachers wash up on the western shores of the Sea of Japan, there will be plenty of work to go around. |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| western shores of the Sea of Japan |
Sea of Japan?
[disclaimer: OP neither endorses nor looks askance at claims for or against the names herein referenced as disputed, and realizes that this has been referenced, probably to death, previously on Dave's. He simply wants to create a diversion in his own post.]
I don't think Korea will ever worry about anyone reaching the country by the Sea of Japan.
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This page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Japan is currently protected from editing until disputes have been resolved.
Naming dispute
Main article: Sea of Japan naming dispute
Although Sea of Japan is the commonly used term to refer to the sea amongst most other countries, both North Korea and South Korea have advocated for a different name to be used. South Korea has argued that it should be called the "East Sea"; North Korea, the "East Sea of Korea". As a result of Korean objections to the name "Sea of Japan", some English-language publications refer to it as Sea of Japan (East Sea), incorporating a version of the Korean name. On August 27, 2007, the Ninth Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names elected to retain the title of the body of water as "Sea of Japan". F. J. Ormeling, chair of the session, stated, "I encourage the three countries concerned to find a solution acceptable to all of them, taking into account any relevant solutions, or else to agree to differ and to report the outcome of these discussions to the next conference."[7]
7. Kyodo News, "Despite Korean efforts, geographic conference backs Sea of Japan name", The Japan Times, 29 Aug 07, [1] |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I will reply.
Yes, The Sea of Japan.
| Been There, Taught That wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| western shores of the Sea of Japan |
Sea of Japan?
[disclaimer: OP neither endorses nor looks askance at claims for or against the names herein referenced as disputed, and realizes that this has been referenced, probably to death, previously on Dave's. He simply wants to create a diversion in his own post.]
I don't think Korea will ever find anyone reaching the country by the Sea of Japan.
| Wikipedia wrote: |
This page is currently protected from editing until disputes have been resolved.
Naming dispute
Main article: Sea of Japan naming dispute
Although Sea of Japan is the commonly used term to refer to the sea amongst most other countries, both North Korea and South Korea have advocated for a different name to be used. South Korea has argued that it should be called the "East Sea"; North Korea, the "East Sea of Korea". As a result of Korean objections to the name "Sea of Japan", some English-language publications refer to it as Sea of Japan (East Sea), incorporating a version of the Korean name. On August 27, 2007, the Ninth Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names elected to retain the title of the body of water as "Sea of Japan". F. J. Ormeling, chair of the session, stated, "I encourage the three countries concerned to find a solution acceptable to all of them, taking into account any relevant solutions, or else to agree to differ and to report the outcome of these discussions to the next conference."[7]
7. Kyodo News, "Despite Korean efforts, geographic conference backs Sea of Japan name", The Japan Times, 29 Aug 07, [1] |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| In my first year I used to work for a franchise that closed around December 2004. Funny, I can't remember the name of it now. They busted an English teacher at one branch who was stealing clients for his own private lessons, and for revenge he ratted on the company, which ended up with the CEO going to jail. It must've had a few hundred English teachers, but probably most of them went independent. |
I heard through the grapevine that there are up to 12000 unfilled native-speaker teaching positions here. Even if the whole retinue of 5000 Nova teachers wash up on the western shores of the Sea of Japan, there will be plenty of work to go around. |
Do you think the fact they are unfilled is due to the fact the position is shiit. Of the quoted 35 000 or so positions available in Korea, how many of them are positions that people who do their research and checks are actually good jobs that should be filled? Are the majority of the bad jobs in that 12 000? And shouldn't be filled anyway? |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| In my first year I used to work for a franchise that closed around December 2004. Funny, I can't remember the name of it now. They busted an English teacher at one branch who was stealing clients for his own private lessons, and for revenge he ratted on the company, which ended up with the CEO going to jail. It must've had a few hundred English teachers, but probably most of them went independent. |
I heard through the grapevine that there are up to 12000 unfilled native-speaker teaching positions here. Even if the whole retinue of 5000 Nova teachers wash up on the western shores of the Sea of Japan, there will be plenty of work to go around. |
Do you think the fact they are unfilled is due to the fact the position is shiit. Of the quoted 35 000 or so positions available in Korea, how many of them are positions that people who do their research and checks are actually good jobs that should be filled? Are the majority of the bad jobs in that 12 000? And shouldn't be filled anyway? |
Who knows, really. I'm sure some are bad, but can all of them be? Maybe bad in terms of location or the fact that you're only making 2 million for 30 hours plus per week, but even then, there are much worse things you could do. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| In my first year I used to work for a franchise that closed around December 2004. Funny, I can't remember the name of it now. They busted an English teacher at one branch who was stealing clients for his own private lessons, and for revenge he ratted on the company, which ended up with the CEO going to jail. It must've had a few hundred English teachers, but probably most of them went independent. |
I heard through the grapevine that there are up to 12000 unfilled native-speaker teaching positions here. Even if the whole retinue of 5000 Nova teachers wash up on the western shores of the Sea of Japan, there will be plenty of work to go around. |
I wasn't worried about that. |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I love all this talk about the Chevy Nova. You guys are obviously reading the same book I am... |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| In my first year I used to work for a franchise that closed around December 2004. Funny, I can't remember the name of it now. They busted an English teacher at one branch who was stealing clients for his own private lessons, and for revenge he ratted on the company, which ended up with the CEO going to jail. It must've had a few hundred English teachers, but probably most of them went independent. |
I heard through the grapevine that there are up to 12000 unfilled native-speaker teaching positions here. Even if the whole retinue of 5000 Nova teachers wash up on the western shores of the Sea of Japan, there will be plenty of work to go around. |
I wasn't worried about that. |
With the current Korean and world thinking about the importance of English, no one organization, no matter how much air it pumps into itself nor how big the bang when it blows up, is going to derail the clamor to learn it. The only thing that will is just that: if the thinking about the importance of English changes around the world, and it won't. So teaching it will always be possible wherever you go, especially in Asian countries. The language, accent, thinking, culture and general way of life will always need teaching. So it seems. |
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