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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Eyeball_Kid wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
OP, instead of wasting valuable money on toilet paper, just do a handstand under the tap once you've pooped and let it run between your cheeks.


Not to be gross, I kind of do that. I usually take a dump in the morning before my shower. One pass with the TP to get the more offending parts and then I sort of clean up bidet style with my detachable shower head.


I also do this. Especially if I have a particularly 'loose constitution'...


Actually, I do too, but was just kind of trying to inject some humour into the thread.
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Kimchi Cowboy



Joined: 17 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyBalony - You probably don't know, do you, that utility rates are insanely cheap over here? My roommate and I never paid more than 40K for electric over the summer months (with a kick-ass AC unit standing in the corner running all. the. time.), and likewise for gas in the winter for floor heating.

There's thrifty, and there's Cheap. Enjoy a hot shower.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchi Cowboy wrote:
TonyBalony - You probably don't know, do you, that utility rates are insanely cheap over here? My roommate and I never paid more than 40K for electric over the summer months (with a kick-ass AC unit standing in the corner running all. the. time.), and likewise for gas in the winter for floor heating.

There's thrifty, and there's Cheap. Enjoy a hot shower.


In Seattle, they had this time of day metering option. You could be billed normally, one rate regardless of time or switch to the time of day metering. So during peak hours you got charged more but during off peak you got charged a lot less. This basically meant, shifting your washing/dryer/dishwasher to after 10 pm.

Now my normal pattern was throw my wash in before work, come home, throw it in the dryer. But with this new system, it was throw it in the wash at 10 pm and then throw it in the dryer at 10 pm. Hrm. Kind of a bother but hey if I was saving the big bucks. This went on for a few months and finally the power company was forced by law to show you side by side comparison of what you're paying with time of day and what you'd pay with the normal flat rate. I was saving a whopping $3 a month. Geez. Screw it.

At the end of the day, you really have to take a hard look at what you're saving money on and what you're giving up. If you really want to save $3 a month, there are many easier ways to do it.
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agentX



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony_Balony wrote:
Ah...the derision. I live simply so that others may simply live.


I saw that on a bumper sticker attached to a Haitian neighbor's car in North Miami.

But yeah, I see your point. Although, we're not quite at the Mad Max stage. We might be there in 20 years.
Now, if only certain large companies, not to put names out there, would stop shortchanging the market on electric motors, then maybe we might not have to worry about peak oil.
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Lizara



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony_Balony wrote:

The only real reason people want a long hot shower, and lets be honest here - is so that they can touch themselves. That long hot shower cover story is old news. There are many other ways to touch yourself and not harm the environment.


Uhh... some of us just enjoy long hot showers for their own sake.
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htrain



Joined: 24 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lizara wrote:
Tony_Balony wrote:

The only real reason people want a long hot shower, and lets be honest here - is so that they can touch themselves. That long hot shower cover story is old news. There are many other ways to touch yourself and not harm the environment.


Uhh... some of us just enjoy long hot showers for their own sake.

I'd rather teach an extra 6 minutes a month to fund my showers.
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did some water use math - seems a 10 minute shower spends 50 gallons of water. My showers use 3 - 4 gallons. Thats about 9,000 gallons of water over 7 months. Not bad.

This makes me a rabid environmentalist and worse a do-something rabid environmentalist and you did not here one peep from me.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I take a hot shower everyday, heat water for coffee, cook lunch, cook dinner, and often take another hot shower at night; all for a rock bottom 50,000 won, 60 to 70 if I am running AC or fan heater. I also run my fridge 24/7 too. How can I save on my 31,000 Won a month internet bill? I guess I have to pay since I can't talk them down on it. How can I reduce the 270,000 Won a month basic payroll deductions? Go work for a public school that doesn't tax me and might even pay more.

Probably the place to save money is on things like taking the bus vs. taxi, luxury foods, cigarettes, nights out, trips to SE Asia to smoke week, and other shid you don't need if saving money is focus priority # 1. I know I could do much better myself, but dang, I gots to live life a litta before my heart stops beating.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

colonel sanders wrote:
Qinella wrote:


There is no difference between hot, warm or cold. Only scalding hot will kill bacteria.


Not true. Hot water is a better solvent than cold water.


By better solvent, you mean the soap mixes better with hot water than with cold? If so, that's a non-sequitur. If not, I don't know what you mean.

My statement was based on what I've always heard, which is that boiling water kills bacteria, and even then not completely (see the controversy about the wet towels in restaurants).

About.com has this to say:

For bacteria to actually die, the hot water would have to be at a temperature above what your skin could tolerate. Most people can tolerate a temperature of 110 degrees for little bits of time, but that's the most we can do. To kill bacteria with hot water alone is not feasible when you are handwashing items.


I've always washed my dishes in mildly warm water, and I haven't noticed any problems. The anti-bacteria craze has us brainwashed, I think.


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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchi Cowboy wrote:
TonyBalony - You probably don't know, do you, that utility rates are insanely cheap over here?


Tell that to the 230,000 won bill I got in August.

A/C was not running all. the. time. but in fact only about 4 hours a day.


sojourner1 wrote:
Wow, I take a hot shower everyday


I've noticed you make this mistake every time you wish to express daily frequency of an event. This comment isn't to ridicule you, but to edify you. 'Everyday' means ordinary, commonplace, unspectacular. It's an adjective.
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SeoulFinn



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the OP is a bit like Chairman Mao. According to the book I finished few days ago (Mao: The Unknown Story, by Chang and Halliday) Mao didn't take a shower or a bath or even brush his teeth after 1949. Shocked He did swim now and then and had his body scrubbed with hot towels... and by the bodies of many patriotic young women.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normally i think cheap people should just commit suicide and help us all out, but tony is too funny to die. May he be peeing in his alley for years to come.

The whole shower bidet thing is hilarious, especially since I just got back from Japan..i love bidets..should be the standard.
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Jellypah



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Kimchi Cowboy wrote:
TonyBalony - You probably don't know, do you, that utility rates are insanely cheap over here?


Tell that to the 230,000 won bill I got in August.

A/C was not running all. the. time. but in fact only about 4 hours a day.


sojourner1 wrote:
Wow, I take a hot shower everyday


I've noticed you make this mistake every time you wish to express daily frequency of an event. This comment isn't to ridicule you, but to edify you. 'Everyday' means ordinary, commonplace, unspectacular. It's an adjective.


I was wondering about that, too! My bill was over 200,000 for the month of August!
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if the OP is serious or not, but it's possible and admirable. I was doing something similar when living in a van for a year in the UK. Bathing was via a (crappy) solar shower bag, a bucket of warm water or a bike ride into Oxford. Now I'm in Korea again and feeling guilty about being back into the whole showering thing. I look forward to the day when I've got my own perfect solar shower set up with grey water for the garden.

We waste so much water in the modern world and totally take it for granted.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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