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14 Laterals to End the Game with a Touchdown
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
That just looked pathetic. Piss poor play that turned out very lucky.


Yeah, it did look like rugby, didn't it?
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mistermasan



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

having played both american football and rugby it is clear that the team had some rugby training.

in american football, teammates block for the man with the ball. it is the essence of the game.

in rugby, teammates do not block for the man with the ball. it is forbidden. it is the essence of the game.

how trinity players reacted during this play was atypical of US football. instead of geting out there and "hitting somebody" they would drop back BEHIND the ball carrier, in position to take the ball.

i cannot see this a merely 14 consecutive, random, dumb luck ball transfers.

why don't US footballers do such more often? because the US game is rigidly formatted.the risk of giving up possession of the ball is to great. the instructions come in from the coach for every play. the big guys in american football are coached that if they ever get the ball to simply fall down with it. the fun has been removed that much from the game.
having played both, rugby was a heck of a lot more fun to play and watch. the big dollar US game is but a background for commercials. they want things controlled into small bites of action to keep us around for the beer, viagra and pick-up truck commercials.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how do I do that on Madden 2008?
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seoulsucker



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
So how do I do that on Madden 2008?


Play with a friend, and set the camera view to as high up as possible. The left trigger will lateral/pitch the ball to the nearest player...as one player runs, the other should use the cycle button (which usually selects the player closest to the ball) to get into position for the next pitch.

Another big reason that this doesn't work in the NFL is the sheer speed of the players. Yeah, there are a lot of big guys out there, but they are DANGEROUS over short distances. Guys three times the size of most footie/rugby players are running 40 yard dashes in under 5 seconds on a regular basis in the NFL these days.

At the end of a play like that, though, they'd all be hooked up to oxygen masks. Laughing

Keep in mind this was a freak play concocted by the crazy coach of a very low-caliber team. At a higher collegiate level or in the pros, 99% of the time a play like that would have been squashed within 5 seconds.
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Hopelessly Human



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
So how do I do that on Madden 2008?


Play with a friend, and set the camera view to as high up as possible. The left trigger will lateral/pitch the ball to the nearest player...as one player runs, the other should use the cycle button (which usually selects the player closest to the ball) to get into position for the next pitch.

Another big reason that this doesn't work in the NFL is the sheer speed of the players. Yeah, there are a lot of big guys out there, but they are DANGEROUS over short distances. Guys three times the size of most footie/rugby players are running 40 yard dashes in under 5 seconds on a regular basis in the NFL these days.

At the end of a play like that, though, they'd all be hooked up to oxygen masks. Laughing

Keep in mind this was a freak play concocted by the crazy coach of a very low-caliber team. At a higher collegiate level or in the pros, 99% of the time a play like that would have been squashed within 5 seconds.


So what play would a sane coach from a high-caliber team have called to score the touchdown?
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reactionary



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably a hail mary as a previous poster said. often attempted, often failed, but i believe it would have a much higher success rate than the laterals in the video.

think about it...at least there's only one chance for a bat-down or an interception rather than 14.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a highlight from the Boise State victory in the Fiesta Bowl last year. Boise State scored from about 60 yards out, tlhough it was 4th and long, and they didn't necessarily need to score. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4s8vdzYwFU
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mountainous



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that was a great play...rugby players are not talented enough to execute a play like that, imo, there is an old saying 'the guys who could not hack it in american football are rugby players' Laughing don't take yourself so seriously! Cool
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:
kprrok wrote:
That just looked pathetic. Piss poor play that turned out very lucky. Oh well, that's American football for ya.

KPRROK


Yeah, anomalous plays never happen in any other sport, do they?


Nah. We've never seen a soccer ref blowing his whistle during extra time and giving one team a free kick and the game. Or how about a hard fought, 120 minute match being reduced to penalty shots. Rolling Eyes
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wanna see a hail mary?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ykWbu2Gl0

Maybe the greatest play in football history.
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mountainous



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the winning touchdown play in an old Cal Bears game....where they lateralled the ball a number of times, etc... the guy ran in for the score and knocked down a few members of the marching band.
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mountainous wrote:
the winning touchdown play in an old Cal Bears game....where they lateralled the ball a number of times, etc... the guy ran in for the score and knocked down a few members of the marching band.


Yeah, and don't forget the Titans/Bills lateral. That was amazing. That was just a lateral.
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JamesFord



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the conditions were ripe for that play to work. The defence was a little soft in the beginning, and then they just seemed too tired to make any proper tackles. They were tackling with their arms and the offense just seemed better conditioned (maybe more motivated).

The same play would be very unlikely (but possible of course) to be successful in pro football because players in pro sports are simply much better defensively. They are better coached, and do a better job of containing and angling as it has become an exact science. The defence was quite sloppy in that video.
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