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bacasper
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 Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Will a Republocrat save us? |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
I more or less do.
But McCain or Romne or Thompson or Biden would be better. |
anyone but guiliani or hillary for me. i don't trust those people at all. |
For those who believe that one of the leading Democratic or Republican candidates will get us out of the mess we are in, I have some bad news.
As Ralph Nader stated, they are two wings of the same party, both of which are financed by the same people, and peopled by the same apparatus. In 2004, the main fundraiser for Bush was the president of Citibank, and the main fundraiser for Kerry was the vice president of Citibank.
Let's go back to the collapse of the Soviet Union when we were supposed to reap a "peace dividend." What did the rulers do? Well, under Clinton there was a greater expenditure for arms than under Reagan!
In 2001, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force Gen. Richard Myers said, "It is very clear that Afghanistan is only a small piece of the US campaign that could last more than a lifetime." This ideology has been a barrage articulated not only by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., it is also the litany coming from the Democratic party, e.g. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
BO said on Sept. 4, 2007: "Hit Iran where it hurts." "Americans need to come together to confront the challenge posed by Iran. The war in Iraq has strengthened Iran which poses for us the greatest strategic challenge in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarians in Iraq. Iran fuels terror and extremism in the Middle East. Iran is making progress on a nuclear program in defiance of the international community. Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map." He follows this up by calling for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran.
On Aug. 3, 2007, speaking at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of the International School for Scholars, BO called for a US attack on Pakistan, more troops in Afghanistan, and unilateral attacks on Iran and Pakistan, and strengthening the US military and intelligence apparatus across the planet.
You could not fit a sliver of paper in between the ideologies of Dick Cheney and Barack Obama.
This is a crisis of capitalism addicted to permanent war, a facade of public relations types bought and paid for, a millionaires' club that fronts for a concentrated structure of power. If we do not grasp this, or provide a strategy for struggle based upon the essential recognition of the nature of our society, we will but perpetuate its rule, and prevent ourselves from reaching out to our own constituency.
This is a shell game, or one of "good cop, bad cop," if you will. It is designed to lure us into picking and choosing among those who have in mind the same old story.
This has been condensed from 070918 Six Years After 9/11: Where Do We Go From Here? available for download from http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html
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mack4289
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| For four decades, over $10 trillion dollars were officially allocated to the Pentagon, more than the combined value of everything produced in the US. We are cannibalizing the infrastructure of the society to sustain a rapine capitalist dominance of all production and workers in the US. Most of that was to fight Communism and the Soviet Union. With its collapse, the peace dividend ought to have been much greater by any measure. |
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mack4289
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Are you talking about the combined value of everything produced in the US in one year or over the past four decades? If it's the latter, those numbers seem dubious, considering the US produced $1.5 trillion worth of goods in 2006 alone (I think tha's the year this article is referring to, although it's undated).
http://www.phcnews.com/nov_06/beschloss.php
".... America�s manufacturing sector is operating at a record pace, indicating a high of $1.5 trillion this year."
America is spending dangerously high amounts on the military, I do agree with that, regardless of how the comparison works out. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I am guessing that that figure includes military spending which would cut that in approximately half. |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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scary ass stuff in my opinion.
i really don't know what to say that doesn't make me sound crazy.
but in all honesty, a full scale revolution, in my opinion, is the only thing that is going to stop the lies, murder, corruption, etc, by the capatalist elite; in America and around the world alike.
there are two paths that will emerge in our life time.
1. NWO
2. Revolution
of course the above is my opinion.
Hillary Clinton is a douche. It is sad that she may become, and forever represent the first women president of America.
Guiliani is a bold face liar...straight up.
RP in my opinion is Americas only hope for this election.
Under Guiliani.....Iran will be invaded
Under H. Clinton....another false flag...and then Iran will be invaded |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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i really don't know what to say that doesn't make me sound crazy.
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Urm.....it's WAY too late for you to worry about that now. |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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i really don't know what to say that doesn't make me sound crazy.
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Urm.....it's WAY too late for you to worry about that now. |
obvious boy strikes again!!! or do i mean, oblivious??? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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So are you saying that if you Right Wingers don't get your way that you're going to throw a revolution? |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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So are you saying that if you Right Wingers don't get your way that you're going to throw a revolution? |
i'm not a right winger, i played defense thank you very much.
i'm saying, the truth will come to light. and perhaps the only way to make change, is a revolution.
again, this is opinion.
mix all the anti-war movements and future invasions and false flag terror into the pot and we've got ourselves a pretty messy situation.
America is up shit creek anyway you look at it. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| America is up *beep* creek anyway you look at it. |
I am actually not that pessimistic about the situation, although in the short term you are probably right. But I have faith in the American people. I think they can only be pushed so far. The problem is things may have to get a lot worse before the majority wakes up and things get better. |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| America is up *beep* creek anyway you look at it. |
I am actually not that pessimistic about the situation, although in the short term you are probably right. But I have faith in the American people. I think they can only be pushed so far. The problem is things may have to get a lot worse before the majority wakes up and things get better. |
i actually totally agree with you on that. the only thing keeping me slightly sane is my trust in the american people that they will stand up for themselves when they realize what has happened.
the truth will come out. that is for sure. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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ob(li)vious boy at it again |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Ouch! Chicken Little strikes again. |
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