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slothrop
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newteacher
Joined: 31 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think you've been watching too much CSI.
I was always under the impression that fingerprint checks was to insure that you are who you say you are. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: why are fingerprints necessary? hypothetical situation.. |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| I mean, the only reason I can think of for them wanting your fingerprints is to PUT you in the system.... |
i agree completely. i don't like the idea of giving anyone my fingerprints. |
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Optimus Prime
Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: why are fingerprints necessary? hypothetical situation.. |
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| slothrop wrote: |
it seems to me, law enforcement agencies should be able to run you through the system and give you your criminal history without this. I'm pretty sure that cops do this whenever they pull you over, right? If you have a criminal history, you'd be in the system already, but if you don't there would be nothing to compare them to, right? what's going on here? I mean, the only reason I can think of for them wanting your fingerprints is to PUT you in the system, and check you against any unknown prints that are wanted in connection with unsolved crimes.
imagine: in 1985 you stayed in a hotel room in Reno, nevada, paid cash. the next day, you check out, and continue pn your journey... then another guest checks into your room, and at some point is murdered. The CSI team lift your print from the toilet flusher, but when they run it, there's no match becasue you're not in the system. That print is however entered into the system waiting for the day a match is found. fast foward to 22 years later. ... after multiple careers you've ended up in korea teaching English. Immigration now requires you to do a criminal records check on yourself. you think it's a hassle, but whatever, you know you haven't ever been arrested. maybe you're wondering if unpaid speeding tickets might be on there, or perhaps tax evasion, not that you've ever lied on your taxes, just that you haven''t filed in forever cause you live overseas. then it comes back.... you are wanted for questioning in connecion with blah blah blah in Reno Nevada in 1985.
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Fingerprints are just to verify that the Criminal Check being done is of the person requesting it.
If you are currently wanted in Reno, and there's a Federal Warrent out for your arrest, they'll probably appreciate knowing where you are. If it's not a Federal crime you are wanted for questioning on, it won't turn up on an FBI check. FBI checks only turn up Federal crimes. |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Not so sure about that. If I had a warrant out for a state crime somewhere, wouldn't it come up?
If not, that's pretty lame and defeating the point really. |
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Optimus Prime
Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| hubba bubba wrote: |
Not so sure about that. If I had a warrant out for a state crime somewhere, wouldn't it come up?
If not, that's pretty lame and defeating the point really. |
maybe you're right. I guess warrants would come up nationwide, and from reading here have found out sex crimes and felonies come up on FBI checks, but a few people say that midemeanors don't. At least that's what I learned from reading Dave's.  |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: why are fingerprints necessary? hypothetical situation.. |
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| Optimus Prime wrote: |
| Fingerprints are just to verify that the Criminal Check being done is of the person requesting it. |
my state requires notarized signatures... which does the same thing. i had to go to the US Embassy to have mine notarized since I was already abroad. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: Re: why are fingerprints necessary? hypothetical situation.. |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| I mean, the only reason I can think of for them wanting your fingerprints is to PUT you in the system.... |
i agree completely. i don't like the idea of giving anyone my fingerprints. |
Good for you.
Who says you have to? Noone i know has had to do this.
Are you talking about this recent NWO stuff in Japan? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: Re: why are fingerprints necessary? hypothetical situation.. |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| I mean, the only reason I can think of for them wanting your fingerprints is to PUT you in the system.... |
i agree completely. i don't like the idea of giving anyone my fingerprints. |
If you've been in Korea long enough, you would know that fingerprinting foreigners on work visas was SOP. I've had mine done at least twice before they discontinued the practice. |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Every Korean has their finger print on their ID cards. It is also held on computer.
I got one of those we name stamp wooden things for transferring car ownership without having to visiy 2 gu offices.
To register my stamp in the system, the put my finger print, stamp mark and ID card on 1 file on the PC. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| newteacher wrote: |
I think you've been watching too much CSI.
I was always under the impression that fingerprint checks was to insure that you are who you say you are. |
... how does it prove who you are if your fingerprint isn't on record anywhere? My fingerprint is on file at the hospital I was born at, and that's it. It's not like there's some international database with all 6 billion+ people's fingerprints on it (although certain politicians would just loooove if that happened). |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| nobbyken wrote: |
| Every Korean has their finger print on their ID cards. It is also held on computer. |
You would think this would make the K-police's job easier, wouldn't you? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: why are fingerprints necessary? hypothetical situation.. |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| If you've been in Korea long enough, you would know that fingerprinting foreigners on work visas was SOP. I've had mine done at least twice before they discontinued the practice. |
Hey Frank ...
When was the policy reversed?
i'd like to personally "DESTROY" mine  |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| nobbyken wrote: |
| Every Korean has their finger print on their ID cards. It is also held on computer. |
You would think this would make the K-police's job easier, wouldn't you? |
Databasing all free citizens' fingerprints opens the door to major abuse.
JAPAN brought that policy in when they owned Korea & its resident SERFS |
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