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jinju
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| Any money that HIV originated in GAY monkeys. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well if they are nutbars, they seem to be well educated and experts in their fields.
Check out the whistleblowers page and read about some of them.
http://virusmyth.net/aids/whistleblowers.htm |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Well if they are nutbars, they seem to be well educated and experts in their fields. |
Linus Pauling also kinda went off the deepend at the end of his career. Watson, an expert in his field, seems to think blacks are less intelligent. Behe believes we're engineered by an intelligence. Any number of scientists believe in UFOs, ghosts, god, psychic ability, faith healers, etc.
So, whatever their expertise and beliefs, there is a rather large body of peer reviewed science that says they're probably wrong.
Any of their arguments you find compelling?
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jinju, they were actually the rare Polish descended monkeys imported in Africa along with bagels and light bulb jokes. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think a bite transmitted the virus. |
I was being facetious. That scenario is so ludicrous as to be beyond belief.
However, even more incredible is how the virus has two completely different epidemiologies in Africa and America. I once asked a medical researcher at a conference if she could explain that bizarre phenomenon. In other words, what I was asking was why in America was it predominantly a disease of gay men but in Africa of heterosexuals. She was unable to do so. |
Even my cursory reading on this topic answers this pretty easily: little use of condoms, high level of partners, more children born with it, many who are carriers and either don't know or don't care. |
Were it that simple, I think the researcher I asked would have been able to explain that. For one thing, in the early days, especially before the syndrome was identified and while the it was propagating unchecked, there was little use of condoms among the gay population either. The epidemiologies have diverged since the outset.
For another, if by high level of partners you mean high number of partners, that would cause the disease to spread more rapidly among gays, while the fact is rates are quite high in Africa.
Those do not appear to satisfactorily explain the diferences. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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Yeah, well Gaetan Dugas having sex with a thousand men in a single year didn't help.
No one is defending him. Assuming he did knowingly spread the disease then he was a despicable man, a murderer. It is important though, that the proper history of the disease be told, not just to protect us homosexuals, but to help understand the transmission and evolution of the virus.
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I remember in the early 90s, this AIDS quilt show was touring the world. It consisted of a bunch of quilts that people had made honouring deceased AIDS victims that they had known. I went to see the display when it hit Edmonton, and the only quilt I can remember at all was in memorium of Gaetan Dugas, and it had an illustration of an airline on it. I guess the organizers figured that they couldn't exclude someone based on irresponsible personal behavior, but I would imagine that they got a bit of negative feedback about that particular quilt, in any case. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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You can see a photo of Dugas' quilt on this page.
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It doesn't have the big jet airplane that I remember. Maybe that was on the other side. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Well if they are nutbars, they seem to be well educated and experts in their fields. |
Linus Pauling also kinda went off the deepend at the end of his career. Watson, an expert in his field, seems to think blacks are less intelligent. Behe believes we're engineered by an intelligence. Any number of scientists believe in UFOs, ghosts, god, psychic ability, faith healers, etc.
So, whatever their expertise and beliefs, there is a rather large body of peer reviewed science that says they're probably wrong.
Any of their arguments you find compelling? |
It's not so much the arguments I find compelling, it's more who these people are (or were) and what jobs they held. |
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