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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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 Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: Man molests stepdaughter, "not guilty." |
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Well, my thread on this last night was pulled after 3 minutes for no reason, so let's try this again:
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An appellate court gave the ``not guilty'' verdict to a father who had touched his 11-year-old stepdaughter's breasts, saying it was a ``sign of affection.''
Kim, 43, was married in 1996. He became the stepfather of his wife's daughter, whom he treated as his own child. He had often showed her affection through touching, which the girl did not used to consider as unpleasant.
Last March, Kim returned home one night after drinking and found his wife and daughter asleep. Kim put his leg on his stepdaughter's body and touched her hips and breasts under her pajama top.
Kim's wife reported him to the police. During investigation, the police also found that Kim had physically abused his wife during a quarrel in 2006 by throwing a flowerpot at her and kicking her.
The police arrested him for sexual harassment and spousal abuse, and he was sentenced to an 8 month prison term for sexual assault by a local court.
However, the Seoul High Court only acknowledged the domestic abuse. He was given a two-year suspended jail term and 160 hours of community service. It ruled: ``Kim's act was a rather excessive sign of affection spurred by alcohol.'' |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/nation_view.asp?newsIdx=12875&categoryCode=117 |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Man molests stepdaughter, "not guilty." |
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| Smee wrote: |
Well, my thread on this last night was pulled after 3 minutes for no reason, so let's try this again:
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An appellate court gave the ``not guilty'' verdict to a father who had touched his 11-year-old stepdaughter's breasts, saying it was a ``sign of affection.''
Kim, 43, was married in 1996. He became the stepfather of his wife's daughter, whom he treated as his own child. He had often showed her affection through touching, which the girl did not used to consider as unpleasant.
Last March, Kim returned home one night after drinking and found his wife and daughter asleep. Kim put his leg on his stepdaughter's body and touched her hips and breasts under her pajama top.
Kim's wife reported him to the police. During investigation, the police also found that Kim had physically abused his wife during a quarrel in 2006 by throwing a flowerpot at her and kicking her.
The police arrested him for sexual harassment and spousal abuse, and he was sentenced to an 8 month prison term for sexual assault by a local court.
However, the Seoul High Court only acknowledged the domestic abuse. He was given a two-year suspended jail term and 160 hours of community service. It ruled: ``Kim's act was a rather excessive sign of affection spurred by alcohol.'' |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/nation_view.asp?newsIdx=12875&categoryCode=117 |
Combined with the whole subway car thing, you can see where this country is going. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| So it's okay to molest your children, as long as you're drunk? Okaaaay... |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's a little alarmist to judge the destiny of a nation from one incident. This could have happened anywhere. People get away with much worse all the time. Heavens, in the UK, only 5% of rape allegations end in conviction. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| What this means is that you should teach when drunk, that way if you get accused of doing something inappropriate whilst teaching, you have a defence. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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This makes me want to puke. Look at the trouble foreign teachers are having to go through now because of the Candian pedophile, and then this. "alcohol drive over affection" Whoever ruled this needs to die right now.
Korea needs to wake the eff up. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| I think it's a little alarmist to judge the destiny of a nation from one incident. This could have happened anywhere. People get away with much worse all the time. Heavens, in the UK, only 5% of rape allegations end in conviction. |
Bollocks. No judge in the US has ever said " Yes you did it, but you were drunk so its ok then." |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| So it's okay to molest your children, as long as you're drunk? Okaaaay... |
No it's OK to molest children as long as you are Korean. Hub of Asia my ass. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| I think it's a little alarmist to judge the destiny of a nation from one incident. This could have happened anywhere. People get away with much worse all the time. Heavens, in the UK, only 5% of rape allegations end in conviction. |
Bollocks. No judge in the US has ever said " Yes you did it, but you were drunk so its ok then." |
Oh really?!
If it happens in Scotland, I'm willing to vouchsafe that it happens in the US: http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=67922007 |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| I think it's a little alarmist to judge the destiny of a nation from one incident. This could have happened anywhere. People get away with much worse all the time. Heavens, in the UK, only 5% of rape allegations end in conviction. |
Bollocks. No judge in the US has ever said " Yes you did it, but you were drunk so its ok then." |
Oh really?!
If it happens in Scotland, I'm willing to vouchsafe that it happens in the US: http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=67922007 |
What are you talking about. The guy in Scotland was convicted and put on a sex offenders list. Did you read your own link? |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| I think it's a little alarmist to judge the destiny of a nation from one incident. This could have happened anywhere. People get away with much worse all the time. Heavens, in the UK, only 5% of rape allegations end in conviction. |
Bollocks. No judge in the US has ever said " Yes you did it, but you were drunk so its ok then." |
Oh really?!
If it happens in Scotland, I'm willing to vouchsafe that it happens in the US: http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=67922007 |
What are you talking about. The guy in Scotland was convicted and put on a sex offenders list. Did you read your own link? |
Being put on the sex offenders register is hardly a punishment and he only got community service, and not community service and suspended sentence like Mr Kim in the OP. Now, it would hardly be fair to post the Scottish story and use it as an indication of where Scotland as a nation is headed, would it? |
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Beej
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| I think it's a little alarmist to judge the destiny of a nation from one incident. This could have happened anywhere. People get away with much worse all the time. Heavens, in the UK, only 5% of rape allegations end in conviction. |
Bollocks. No judge in the US has ever said " Yes you did it, but you were drunk so its ok then." |
Oh really?!
If it happens in Scotland, I'm willing to vouchsafe that it happens in the US: http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=67922007 |
What are you talking about. The guy in Scotland was convicted and put on a sex offenders list. Did you read your own link? |
Being put on the sex offenders register is hardly a punishment and he only got community service, and not community service and suspended sentence like Mr Kim in the OP. Now, it would hardly be fair to post the Scottish story and use it as an indication of where Scotland as a nation is headed, would it? |
You need to read more carefully. In the Korean case, the appelate court threw out the sexual assault conviction. The man's sentence was for only beating his wife. His assualt conviction on the girl was ruled a "show of affection" and overturned.
The man in Scotland was convicted of a sex crime. Maybe a light sentence, maybe not. Although being put on a sex offender list is no picnic im sure. |
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KumaraKitty
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| At least in the US being on a Sex Offender list means you are not allowed to hold many different jobs, you cannot live in certain areas, you have to inform the police when you move into a new area, your name is on a list that is public record and there are other limitations on your life. It makes life very difficult, and that is why some people who are caught for something like urinating in public who go on the list have such a rough time, it can ruin their lives. I'm sure the man in Scotland's life is not going to be easy. Korea has nothing like that as far as I am aware. |
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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I concur with the above poster.
Being put on the sex offenders list in the US is a walking death sentence. How do I know? Someone very close to me was put on it (wrongly so, believe me or don't)-- and once a person is put on it, they CAN'T be taken off in his state -- So that means a person (and in this case, a completely innocent person):
1) Can't get any job where there is a remote chance of contact with minors. REMOTE CHANCE. Pretty much nix 85% of all jobs.
2) The places where you CAN get a job, do not want to hire you, obviously. The person I know couldn't get hired at McDonald's. They tried.
3) They can't live within 1000 feet of any type of business that has minors. In many cities, that simply means you can't live ANYWHERE.
4) cannot go to a place where minors are present (No shopping at Wal-Mart).
5) Everyone is aware of who you are -- even if they don't know the circumstance. You can't go ANYWHERE without being spit upon or attacked (physically or verbally).
So "Only getting on the list" is certainly no cakewalk here in the States. So drop that angle.
This story in question is DISGUSTING. I am SO disappointed with the Korean law system with this one. Here is admittance of inappropriate touching, ongoing.... and deemed OK because he was drunk.... that is just sooo wrong, I dare not say any more, I am so angry... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't McDonald's also have customers who are minors?
Back to the main issue: When will the courts here recognize that being drunk is not an excuse for one's crime? |
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