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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| Let me see if I can't find 100 links by various scientists that argue against a man made cause for global warming. Oh but wait, then you will just find 100 links showing how we are the cause of global warming. |
You won't find such. 1:1? No. What you will find is huge disparity in favor of climate change being real, being pushed by forcings related to both natural and anthropogenic factors, but primarily anthropogenic at this point.
Guess I missed that. What part of your post was in jest, the absurd or the laughable? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) wrote: |
From new estimates of the combined anthropogenic forcing due to greenhouse gases, aerosols, and land surface changes, it is extremely likely that human activities have exerted a substantial net warming influence on climate since 1750.
"Extremely likely" indicates probabilities greater than 95% |
This has been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science, including of the major industrialized countries. So, explain your scepticism to these people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change.
Seriously though, if you've got some objections to the scientific consensus, write a paper on it and get it peer-reviewed. And if you've good evidence for an international scientific consensus being fraudulent with information, write a paper on that too.
| Realclimate.org ('climate science from climate scientists') wrote: |
| Every now and again, the myth that "we shouldn't believe global warming predictions now, because in the 1970's they were predicting an ice age and/or cooling" surfaces. But it is not an argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles under analysis. |
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/the-global-cooling-myth/
| Wikipedia wrote: |
| The global cooling hypothesis never had significant scientific support, but gained temporary popular attention |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Mars' warming explained here: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html |
And let's not forget the [insert my real name] fallacy (it's named after me because I discovered it!  )
| SPIN wrote: |
1. Person A makes claim X
2. Person B claims we should doubt X because it is politically, ideologically-driven (claim Y)
3. Y is politically and ideologically driven by opposition to the alleged political and ideological principles in X.
4. Therefore B says we should doubt Y (see 2) |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Would you bet your next paycheque on the five-DAY weather forecast being accurate? Inconceivable?
Why then should we let the politicians, egged on by grant-seeking Chicken Little scientists and cheered on by faddish Henny Penny journalists bet billions of dollars and the fate of the economy on the Global Warming five DECADE forecast? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
Would you bet your next paycheque on the five-DAY weather forecast being accurate? Inconceivable?
Why then should we let the politicians, egged on by grant-seeking Chicken Little scientists and cheered on by faddish Henny Penny journalists bet billions of dollars and the fate of the economy on the Global Warming five DECADE forecast? |
5% of your income for insurance to save hundreds of millions or billions of people not worth it? Ridiculous. Fact is, the new industries replace the old and you end up with a healthier planet AND avoid catastrophe. Not doing so is going to end up being one of the biggest mistakes mankind has ever, or will ever, make.
I'd quite easily bet my entire salary for a year that sea level will rise by a meter or more this century. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
Would you bet your next paycheque on the five-DAY weather forecast being accurate? Inconceivable?
Why then should we let the politicians, egged on by grant-seeking Chicken Little scientists and cheered on by faddish Henny Penny journalists bet billions of dollars and the fate of the economy on the Global Warming five DECADE forecast? |
5% of your income for insurance to save hundreds of millions or billions of people not worth it? Ridiculous. Fact is, the new industries replace the old and you end up with a healthier planet AND avoid catastrophe. Not doing so is going to end up being one of the biggest mistakes mankind has ever, or will ever, make.
I'd quite easily bet my entire salary for a year that sea level will rise by a meter or more this century. |
5% of my income? Where do you get that figure? And before ANYONE takes an additional 5% of my income, they'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
Besides which there are signs which now suggest the earth could be in fact entering a new Ice Age. In which case stopping global warming would be the worst thing we could do. |
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