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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: Porn Up Rape Down Reply with quote

"In a paper just released in the United States titled Porn Up, Rape Down, Northwestern University Law Professor Anthony D�amato crunches the numbers to reach the conclusion:

"The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85 per cent in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults. The Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence. The reverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence."
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4845

This also happened in Japan when more porn became available.
"Wilson (1978) found that 'Males who develop deviant patterns of sexual behavior in adulthood have suffered relative deprivation of experience with pornography in adolescence.' He suggests that pornography not only can, but does, help to prevent criminal sex problems (pp. 176)...It is certainly clear from the data reviewed, and the new data and analysis presented, that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan, the United States and elsewhere has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims."

And places that enacted strict laws against porn experienced big increases in rape-
"The countries of Singapore and Union of South Africa as well as the Australian State of Queensland, during the same period investigated by Kutchinsky (1964-1974), were firmly against any pornography. Their anti-obscenity laws were quite broad. In Singapore rape rates increased by 69 percent, in South Africa the rape rate increased by 28 percent and in Queensland the increase was 23 percent (Court, 1984)."
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_ovrvw.html

So it looks like porn may do a lot more good than bad.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As we know, Korea has a large sex industry and the wider availability of porn would cut into the GNP. Also the change in porn laws in Korea would risk removing its mask of sexual purity.

Yesterday I had some Koreans explain to me that they were glad they did not live in the West where cohabitation and pre=marital sex was so widely and openly practticed
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keepongoing wrote:
As we know, Korea has a large sex industry and the wider availability of porn would cut into the GNP. Also the change in porn laws in Korea would risk removing its mask of sexual purity.

Yesterday I had some Koreans explain to me that they were glad they did not live in the West where cohabitation and pre=marital sex was so widely and openly practticed


Ha. Yeah. Versus sinking 5% of your GDP into a black sex market out of the reach of the tax man.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my university professors took part in a very shady study a long time ago, before there were laws against things like this. They staked out a porn store, and would follow customers home to see what kind of places they lived in. Way fewer perverts living in bachelor pads than successful family men.

I've always believed pornography is a deterrent to not only sex crimes, but also to cheating in monogamous relationships.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my university professors took part in a very shady study a long time ago, before there were laws against things like this. They staked out a porn store, and would follow customers home to see what kind of places they lived in. Way fewer perverts living in bachelor pads than successful family men.

I've always believed pornography is a deterrent to not only sex crimes, but also to cheating in monogamous relationships.


Indeed. Although it does have a certain escalation. Like, Playboy used to be pretty erotic but now if a guy isn't peeing in a chick's mouth it just ain't porn!
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my university professors took part in a very shady study a long time ago, before there were laws against things like this. They staked out a porn store, and would follow customers home to see what kind of places they lived in. Way fewer perverts living in bachelor pads than successful family men.

I've always believed pornography is a deterrent to not only sex crimes, but also to cheating in monogamous relationships.


I would like to take this study one step further and how it relates to societies where prostitution is opening available. Vs. Countries where it falls under the stigma of being illegal or immoral. What happens in countries where a large portion of the male population isn't getting it and can't do anything about it.
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my university professors took part in a very shady study a long time ago, before there were laws against things like this. They staked out a porn store, and would follow customers home to see what kind of places they lived in. Way fewer perverts living in bachelor pads than successful family men.

I've always believed pornography is a deterrent to not only sex crimes, but also to cheating in monogamous relationships.


I would like to take this study one step further and how it relates to societies where prostitution is opening available. Vs. Countries where it falls under the stigma of being illegal or immoral. What happens in countries where a large portion of the male population isn't getting it and can't do anything about it.

I knew a guy that was quite fluent in Korean. He said that a common attitude among Koreans is that prostitution is good because it reduces the rape rate. Perhaps sexual repression does breed sexual deviancy. That would explain the behaviour of certain Catholic priests.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like the results to be true, but I'd like to see evidence of causality in these statistics.

I find it hard to believe that the most influential factor on the decrease in rapes in the US over the last 25 years is the increase in the availability of pornography.

Also, the article finds correlations between internet use and rape, which is not exactly the same thing as pornography availability and rape.

Other factors come into play. For example, poorer states will have lower levels of internet access, and also higher levels of crime. So are the increases in rapes in these states caused by the low level of internet access, or by poverty that also results in lower levels of internet access.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:
I'd like the results to be true, but I'd like to see evidence of causality in these statistics.

I find it hard to believe that the most influential factor on the decrease in rapes in the US over the last 25 years is the increase in the availability of pornography.

Also, the article finds correlations between internet use and rape, which is not exactly the same thing as pornography availability and rape.

Other factors come into play. For example, poorer states will have lower levels of internet access, and also higher levels of crime. So are the increases in rapes in these states caused by the low level of internet access, or by poverty that also results in lower levels of internet access.


There's a good self check in social sciences you can perform. "What studies involving correlational data have you read that you a) don't like the results b) but you agree with the findings."

But a 85% drop in a crime is a pretty amazing figure. And surely pornography isn't the only factor. A decrease in poverty in the last 25 years, a perception that DNA will assure you get caught, these things can come into play.

There's a study that when a certain number of cars in a neighborhood get equipped with a device called Lojack, that allows police to track stolen cars, that incidents of car theft markedly decrease. Criminals are more hesitant to steal cars if they think there's a good chance they're jacking a car that will lead the police right to them.
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