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Love + Depression = ???
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Flash Ipanema



Joined: 29 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Flash Ipanema wrote:
In my opinion, he shouldn't sign the contract if it's just for you. Make sure he's also signing it because it's something he wants to do. I think it's too early in the relationship to make that kind of commitment based on the assumption that things will be rosy for another year. Because if, unfortunately, things didn't work, you would feel guilty because he decided to stay for you and he would be stuck in a place he didn't want. And since you're already having doubts, that would be a very bad situation.

I just think he needs to make sure he's staying for his own reasons and not just your relationship.


I disagree. A promising relationship with someone you've been courting for most of a year is worth pursuing. If it's not working out, he can then give notice and leave.



But this isn't just a matter of pursuing a relationship. The relationship has been established and it's now a question of its future. My concern is with getting too committed too soon, especially if she has her own personal issues to deal with. I agree with the above posters that she needs time to think, or not think as the case may be. And I would be afraid that if the bf signs a contract for her then it might feel like even more pressure, and clearly she doesn't need that. Pressure can ruin an otherwise good relationship.

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The boyfriend is an absolute dream. He's ultra-considerate, hard-working, courageous, generous... my ex said he was all of these things but his actions proved the opposite. My expectations have been very low but this guy is building trust and expressing caring and respect. Everything should be great... except it's not.

I'm trying to understand whether this is just a case of bad-relationship-flashbacks or whether there's something wrong about this relationship.

I'm trying to decide whether on-going depression would be a viable reason to break off the relationship-- I know he'd like to stick by me but I'm not able to offer much in this state and I don't think it's fair to him since I can't promise a recovery.


Whether this is an issue of your relationship with him or an effect of depression, I don't think anyone else can answer that. Having someone there to help you when you're feeling down can be the best thing in the world, unless you don't actually want them there. I don't know if depression is a reason so break up, but it would probably be a good idea to take some time off, from everything. The trip to Thailand sounds good, wish I got winter vacation or I'd join you. Very Happy
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him everything, completely, including your concerns, and ask him what he wants to do. As long as he's completely aware, he can make informed decisions for himself without you feeling like you've dragged him into something unwillingly. Even though, with depression, I know that you'd feel like you've sucked his life away anyway. Its the nature of the thing.

If he loves you, though, and I mean really loves you, he'll love you right through to the other side. People say that I'm naive here all the time, but this is one thing I know from personal experience as I've witnessed it in someone very close to me for a long time.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a good book you could read if'n ya like.

It's called An Unquiet Mind, by Kay Redfield Jamison.

It's currently sitting on a pile of 11 or so books due to be traded in at WTB, but if'n yew be wantin' it, I could be droppin' it off fer yew.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy smokes! I'm so impressed by the sincerity, range and wisdom of the responses! Thanks so much.

Canuckistan, I love the idea of just getting away and hitting the pause button. Next week, he's going away for two weeks so I'll be able to work on the depression issue without having to worry about how it affects him. The beach will have to wait until January, but there might be a little weekend getaway coming up.

Superfly, some reading material would be most welcome. I'm going to look up some books on Amazon today re: recovering from the past but a fresh look at depression would be very interesting.

Samd, re: "being there for me." I really wish there was something he could do for me, but when that trapdoor opens and I'm down in the pit, there's nothing I need from him at all-- I just want to withdraw and be alone. He's tried to be there, to ask questions, to hug me, etc., etc., but although I appreciate it, I can't say it does any good.

Everybody else: Thank you. I have told him everything, and I do have to respect his autonomy. However, if I'm depressed, then I'm not happy with him, and I can't make him happy, so what's the point of continuing with the relationship? Then again, I shouldn't trust decisions I make when I'm in this state, and then more thinking happens... and yada yada yada.

I guess the bottom line is that I have to get this depression under control. It's his decision as to whether he wants to stay, and once I'm "well" again, I can get a better idea of whether I can be a good partner to him. Sucks to be him, doesn't it?
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thread Kermo, I'm not that surprised by the sincerity of the posters.

I'd ditto what others said about being upfront and it's good that it's out in the open. And understand about your feelings about how it might affect him if he wasn't aware of the depressions. A woman would always be able to tell a man about this but it is hardly ever the other way round. A man might appear weak if he was admit this to his partner, although she may have already been able to tell.

I had a girlfriend for five years had a lot to with this. I have my stubborn, very uncommunicative moments where you can't get me to do anything. I never used to talk with her about it, although she probably knew it. But she loved me for me not for any superficial reasons, moods et al. My brother has the same thing, his moods are classic, he finished with a girl after 9 years, as they slowly grew apart. He would never talk about it and that as he felt there was no problem and therefore didn't get fixed. That was him, take it or leave it. He's been dating a girl for 3 years now and she's fine with this. He doesn't need to be any other way with her.

No a particularly opinion from me. But if all the cards are laid out on the table and things get worked out then that can only make the relationship stronger. Most relationships and happiness fail because of this lack of fixing.

Keep thou pecker, up duck!
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ceesgetdegrees



Joined: 12 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...you got some balls to be putting your life out into cyber space like that. Do people you know in real life know your online persona? Didn't you post pictures of yourself? Might be advisable to keep a few things on the down low.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceesgetdegrees wrote:
Wow...you got some balls to be putting your life out into cyber space like that. Do people you know in real life know your online persona? Didn't you post pictures of yourself? Might be advisable to keep a few things on the down low.


As Kermo, I've always been pretty straight up. I'm not going to post anything that I need secrecy about. Due to the recent publicity re: my name and face in the news, I'm going to kill off this incarnation of myself pretty soon, and have already shut down other Kermo-related things on other sites.
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nancy123



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: depressed Reply with quote

Kermo...I've had 3 major episodes in the last 8 years...and I can emphasize with your situation. I've come to realized that stress whether negative or positive triggers a relapse.
2 weeks on your own should see you feeling much better. If all else fails Lexapro is sold by the bucket over here.... Very Happy

Here's a decent site if your interested:
http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/index.php?[url]

Cheer up because it will get better!
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Women don't usually approach relationships so logically.
If you had a gut attraction to this guy, you wouldn't be thinking about it nearly this much.
Maybe you're just not that into him, and your mind is trying to find logical excuses to back out?

On the other hand, that fact you are approaching a relationship logically, and have chosen a good man, bodes very well for your future. Many women who get swept away end up in sh*t later on because they were simply running on feelings. Leave the past where it belongs. Here is a new person and a new start. Just go for it.
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Grimalkin



Joined: 22 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kermo

I think it's important to remember that depression is a mental illness and in common with all mental illnesses it is impossible to be rational while you're in the throes of it. This is the worst possible time for you to make important decisions on your own. You need to hand over to a friend that knows you well and whose judgement you can trust or to a councellor.


I also wonder if you're misidentifying the problem and the real problem is this...


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...The boyfriend is an absolute dream. He's ultra-considerate, hard-working, courageous, generous



One of the unfortunate effects of depression is that it erodes the suffer's self-esteem. It could be that the more that you've come to realise the good qualities of your boyfriend the less worthy you've felt and this is why your depression has deepened. It may have reached the stage that it would be a relief to lose your boyfriend because inside you feel you don't deserve him.


If this is the case what you really need is professional help to build your self esteem otherwise all your life you may only feel deserving of a partner like your first husband. I think you need to get a true sense of your real worth. This can be done! (You are after all one of the most highly thought of posters on this forum...ask yourself why).


I hope I haven't said anything that might have upset or offended you but please consider what I've said and if ultimately you think it's garbage feel free to disregard it.


I hope it all works out well for you.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kermo,

Want me to drop it off at WTB with your name on it? I'm sure Chiaa would hold it for you.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, the new guy sounds like a good guy. Stick with him for longer, and just see how it goes. Put an effort in to be social with other people, and don't make your life "just seeing him."

And one more thing to consider. Maybe... look at this relationship as a battle between you and your ex. Your ex wins if he keeps you depressed, if your feelings remain the same. You win if you allow yourself to be free and do what you probably wanna do (be happy in this relationship).

I don't really know you, but hope for all the best luck to you!
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First let me just say that you are a deserving person.

You deserve happiness.

You deserve a good meaningful relationship.

You deserve to be loved and you deserve to love.

You have purpose and are a wonderful human being.

Now that I have said that.

I want you to know that the human sexual orgasm
is the most powerful antidepressant I know of,
endorphins and all that.

Many women can fall into a funk over the contradiction of sex, the
humiliation, the cleanliness, the letting go or not letting go, the
submission, and in some cases the aggression.

(There's all that repressed psycho crap sex is the devil virgin is god.)

In the end, all my observation of the depressed female, I have never met
a depressed women that was achieving 3 orgasms each day.

So I recommend that you and your new found get busy, minimum 3 per
day for at least 2 weeks, if at the end of the 2 weeks you are still
depressed, let me know, it will be a first. On the other hand if it works
well say no more.

Good luck and much happiness.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Love + Depression = ???

Loression
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netfriend



Joined: 07 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is he a gi? you haven't mentioned it... that makes a difference though, doesn't it?
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