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crusher_of_heads
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| endo wrote: |
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Liberal leader Dion has stated he may repeal the cuts to the GST if elected PM.
Liberal Party supporters, you have a real winner there-keep him as leader until he dies. |
Well how about we pay off our national debt before thinking about further tax cuts?
The generation preceding us gave us this huge debt and I'm not about to hand it off to my children. |
You must believe that higher sales taxes leads to more government revenue.
Why stop there-let's have a 78% federal income tax rate.
Seriously-I agree about the debt, but there's a lot more cutting in government expenditure to be done instead of raising taxes-the CBC gets over 900 million every year! |
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Octavius Hite
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Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| CBC gets over 900 million every year! |
You're right, let's cancel the CBC and we can just let FOXNews cover the Canadian beat.  |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CBC gets over 900 million every year! |
You're right, let's cancel the CBC and we can just let FOXNews cover the Canadian beat. |
You are stupid. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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You know, it has been my experience that the people who hate the CBC the most are usually the most backward, inbred, redneck, ignorant fools our country has to offer.
The CBC is a national treasure that despite its occasional fault or stumble remains one of the premier sources of news anywhere in the world. Only the BBC IMHO is a better news agency.
So keep on watching the 20 minute CTV newscasts and reading the National Post and we will (hopefully) keep seeing you spread your message of brilliance, see above for a classic example. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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The CBC is a national treasure that despite its occasional fault or stumble remains one of the premier sources of news anywhere in the world. Only the BBC IMHO is a better news agency.
So keep on watching the 20 minute CTV newscasts and reading the National Post and we will (hopefully) keep seeing you spread your message of brilliance, see above for a classic example. |
PBS owns the CBC or BBC. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Yes PBS is good but they don't have a pot to piss in or the window to throw it of. You can be great but when you don't have any money you can't get seen. The CBC is watched by most Canadians (whether its for the news, the hockey, the TV shows, or the movies) whereas PBS (again frigging great but.....) is hardley watched by anyone. CBC is one of the things that makes Canada different from the US (not better, just different) and its great. I would love if millions of people would watch PBS, perhaps there wouldn't be a moron in the Whitehouse. |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
You know, it has been my experience that the people who hate the CBC the most are usually the most backward, inbred, redneck, ignorant fools our country has to offer.
The CBC is a national treasure that despite its occasional fault or stumble remains one of the premier sources of news anywhere in the world. Only the BBC IMHO is a better news agency.
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It has been my experience that effeminate pansies always invoke the specter of the Evil American Empire when it comes to safeguarding Canadian National Trusts.
John Turner did it in the Great FTA debate.
YOu do it in nearly a third of your posts.
Do you look underneath your bed every night for scary Republicans waiting to take over Canada, and the rest of the world only for their oil?
How is reducing the annual alotment to the CBC going to result in FOX News being the dominant media outlet?
It isn't-and that is why your rhetoric is stupid-just like you.
You are welcome. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Why do you people always attack the CBC? Do you check under your bed every night for well spoken journalists who suckle at the Culture Ministry's teat?
You Reform nutjobs attack the CBC cause they call you on your bigotry and nuttery.
You Reform nutjobs attack the GST when it was your own ilk who created it in order to clean up their mess.
You Reform nutjobs attack everyone east of Winnipeg because you hate that the country started in the east and moved west.
Dude, nice chip, ugly shoulder.
You're welcome. |
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endo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Liberal leader Dion has stated he may repeal the cuts to the GST if elected PM.
Liberal Party supporters, you have a real winner there-keep him as leader until he dies. |
Well how about we pay off our national debt before thinking about further tax cuts?
The generation preceding us gave us this huge debt and I'm not about to hand it off to my children. |
You must believe that higher sales taxes leads to more government revenue.
Why stop there-let's have a 78% federal income tax rate.
Seriously-I agree about the debt, but there's a lot more cutting in government expenditure to be done instead of raising taxes-the CBC gets over 900 million every year! |
I don't mind a 1-2% cut in the GST, however, it should stop there.
One of the primary reasons why Canada has been achieving surpluses is in direct relation to the revenue gained from the GST.
And since when did I call for a 78% federal tax rate? Come on man, don't get all hysterical with your argument.
I just think that we should pay down the debt as much as possible before we even consider scraping the GST all together.
Do you really think Canada would be running these surpluses without the GST?
Christ, you're like the spoiled wife in the family who'd rather spend money as opposed to doing the sensible thing and paying off our debt first.
And paying off the debt is like tax relief in a sense anyways, By lowering interest rates the public will save money in the long run.
The Canadian government should have a 15 year plan in place to try to pay off our national debt. Now in times of recession I understand that a deficite may be necessary at times in order to stimulate the economy.
And this is why I would never support a law for balanced budgets.
But in the long run paying off the debt is the best thing to do. And unfortuntely that will mean retaining the GST. I don't mond modest cuts, but scrapping it all together (considering it's revenue stream) is not what we need right now. |
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endo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| CBC gets over 900 million every year! |
You're right, let's cancel the CBC and we can just let FOXNews cover the Canadian beat. |
You are stupid. |
Considering the growing power that corporations have in today's media, I actually feel safer with a government entity (within a free lieral democratic society) having access to the airways without the influence of large coporations.
And if you don't think that corporations play a role today into how news is disceminated, then I think you're ignorant.
It's ironic that a government entity (like the CBC or PBS or even the BBC) has more of a stake in promoting a fair and truthful viewpoint to the population than a private entity. But it does.
I for one trust a publicly funded media organization like the CBC more than one ran by Rupert Murdoc for the sole fact that they don't have to worry as much for the potential loss of advertising they may recieve for disceminating stories that are unpopular or even damning to corporate interests. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Considering the growing power that corporations have in today's media, I actually feel safer with a government entity (within a free lieral democratic society) having access to the airways without the influence of large coporations. |
It's nice to have a balance. Of course the Tories were famous for gutting the CBC along ideological lines. And given the CBC needs ad sponsors, it's not exactly free of corporate control. I think the best source of news is reading a range of newspapers. You'll notice American TV news almost never said anything negative about the Iraq invasion while print journalism was highly critical.
Taking a cue from Penn Jillette, news orgs should drop the pretense of "fair and balanced". Newspapers tend to stake out an ideological ground. Conservative papers, liberal, blue collar, left wing, neocon. You know what you're getting. If you don't like the National Post or the Toronto Sun, read the Toronto Star. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Endo,
I agree with you on paying down the debt-the money that goes to interest payments could be going anywhere-to the CBC, more money to the provinces, or entirely gutting the GST in the future.
Sorry about the 78% rhetoric.
The GST is a regressive tax-low and midincome earners will spend less-the pie is bigger if less is taken off the top-and while we both want the debt paid down, it's not a zero-sum game-having the feds take in less money, spend less money [if the BBC can survive the round of cuts it is facing right now, then the CBC can as well] on waste areas such as the CBC [yes, it can survive, and thrive, on a paltry 600 million per annum instead of 900+] and flag days and cutting the GST means reducing the debt.
Unless you have a highly complicated equation similar to that Johnathan Cretin devised:
50% social spending
25% tax cuts
25% debt reduction
He is the greatest Prime Minister Canada ever had-skiing when leaders of Middle Eastern countries die proves that. |
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