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Zutronius
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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: House passes the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown |
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House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill
by Lee Rogers
Global Research, November 2, 2007
roguegovernment.com
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The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Excellence to study and defeat so called thought criminals. Unlike previous anti-terror legislation, this bill specifically targets the civilian population of the United States and uses vague language to define homegrown terrorism. Amazingly, 404 of our elected representatives from both the Democrat and Republican parties voted in favor of this bill. There is little doubt that this bill is specifically targeting the growing patriot community that is demanding the restoration of the Constitution.
First let�s take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill.
The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn�t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.
`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
The definition of homegrown terrorism uses equally vague language to further define thought crime. The bill includes the planned use of force or violence as homegrown terrorism which could be interpreted as thinking about using force or violence. Not only that but the definition is so vaguely defined, that petty crimes could even fall into the category of homegrown terrorism. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.
`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Section 899B of the bill goes over the findings of Congress as it pertains to homegrown terrorism. Particularly alarming is that the bill mentions the Internet as a main source for terrorist propaganda. The bill even mentions streams in obvious reference to many of the patriot and pro-constitution Internet radio networks that have been formed. It also mentions that homegrown terrorists span all ages and races indicating that the Congress is stating that everyone is a potential terrorist. Even worse is that Congress states in their findings that they should look at draconian police states like Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom as models to defeat homegrown terrorists. Literally, these findings of Congress fall right in line with the growing patriot community.
The biggest joke of all is that this section also says that any measure to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism should not violate the constitutional rights of citizens. However, the definition of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as they are defined in section 899A are themselves unconstitutional. The Constitution does not allow the government to arrest people for thought crimes, so any promises not to violate the constitutional rights of citizens are already broken by their own definitions.
`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.
`The Congress finds the following:
`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.
`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.
`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.
`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.
`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.
`(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions.
`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.
`( Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.
`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.
Section 899C calls for a commission on the prevention of violent radicalization and ideologically based violence. The commission will consist of ten members appointed by various individuals that hold different positions in government. Essentially, this is a commission that will examine and report on how they are going to deal with violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. So basically, the commission is being formed specifically on how to deal with thought criminals in the United States. The bill requires that the commission submit their final report 18 months following the commission�s first meeting as well as submit interim reports every 6 months leading up to the final report. Below is the bill�s defined purpose of the commission. Amazingly they even define one of the purposes of the commission to determine the causes of lone wolf violent radicalization.
(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:
`(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.
`(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--
`(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;
`(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and
`(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.
Section 899D of the bill establishes a Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. Essentially, this will be a Department of Homeland Security affiliated institution that will study and determine how to defeat thought criminals.
Section 899E of the bill discusses how the government is going to defeat violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperation. As stated in the findings section earlier in the legislation, they will unquestionably seek the advice of countries with draconian police states like the United Kingdom to determine how to deal with this growing threat of thought crime.
Possibly the most ridiculous section of the bill is Section 899F which states how they plan on protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism. Here is what the section says.
`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.
`(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.
`(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security will develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not result in a disproportionate impact, without a rational basis, on any particular race, ethnicity, or religion and include the results of its audit in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.
(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:
It states in the first subsection that in general the efforts to defeat thought crime shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of the United States citizens and lawful permanent residents. How does this protect constitutional rights if they use vague language such as in general that prefaces the statement? This means that the Department of Homeland Security does not have to abide by the Constitution in their attempts to prevent so called homegrown terrorism.
This bill is completely insane. It literally allows the government to define any and all crimes including thought crime as violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Obviously, this legislation is unconstitutional on a number of levels and it is clear that all 404 representatives who voted in favor of this bill are traitors and should be removed from office immediately. The treason spans both political parties and it shows us all that there is no difference between them. The bill will go on to the Senate and will likely be passed and signed into the law by George W. Bush. Considering that draconian legislation like the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act have already been passed, there seems little question that this one will get passed as well. This is more proof that our country has been completely sold out by a group of traitors at all levels of government. |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| the plot thickens |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Why are Canadians so interested in American politics? Is it because ours actually affects the world? |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Why are Canadians so interested in American politics? Is it because ours actually affects the world? |
yes....would you like a pat on the back for fn up the world? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but at least the US is not a fascist state.  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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The US is still one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world.
Why you all in South Korea where they have a national security law anyway? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The US is still one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world. |
Quit saying this. It is blatantly false.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Why you all in South Korea where they have a national security law anyway? |
What the hell are you doing here if you are NOT in Korea?
Guess we found the BushCheney plant on these forums.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. |
I'm for any law that encourages the RP worms to crawl back under the rock they slithered out from. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Keane wrote:
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Why you all in South Korea where they have a national security law anyway?
What the hell are you doing here if you are NOT in Korea?
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I think you'll find that there are a lot of posters in the CE Forum who are not living in Korea. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
| Why are Canadians so interested in American politics? Is it because ours actually affects the world? |
yes....would you like a pat on the back for fn up the world? |
It must suck being you. You know, hating like hell everything to the south of you but being 100% powerless as a nation to do anything about it. |
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ernie
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| canadians don't hate america or americans, only what is being done around the world in YOUR name! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| only what is being done around the world in YOUR name |
I take it you mean like: US ship helps North Korea vessel crew overpower Somali pirates http://fe9.news.re3.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071030/wl_asia_afp/somaliamaritimepiracynkorea
or maybe this one? US seeks to remove pirates from ships
http://fe21.news.re3.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_re_af/somalia_pirates
"Thu Nov 1, 2:20 PM ET
NAIROBI, Kenya - The U.S. Navy said Thursday that it intended to remove pirates from a hijacked Japanese tanker monitored by American warships off the coast of Somalia. A crew member's sister said negotiations were under way for the release of the ship.
The Navy came to the aid of the chemical tanker this week, at one point opening fire to destroy pirate skiffs tied to it." |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
| Why are Canadians so interested in American politics? Is it because ours actually affects the world? |
yes....would you like a pat on the back for fn up the world? |
It must suck being you. You know, hating like hell everything to the south of you but being 100% powerless as a nation to do anything about it. |
I don't hate everything to the south of me. i have loads of american friends. i too share the same culture. i love the american spirit.
what i don't like is the corruption of the american government.
there is plenty i can do. i can certainly protest in my own country and raise awareness amongst my fellow Canadians. it takes all kinds to make the world go round. don't you know.
plus america and canada will most certainly be getting a little closer to eachother in the near future. i suspect that has something to do with our oil deposits.
so all in all i don't feel seperated from the solution. i actually feel more in power because i don't have certain newly passed amendments creeping in on my freedoms. plus i don't have to deal with american media and the brainwashing that is occuring. all the more power for someone like myslef who is not american.
you have the power to vote...for useless twats. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I love it how some believe nothing they see in the mainstream media but believe whatever they see on the internet. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I love it how some believe nothing they see in the mainstream media but believe whatever they see on the internet. |
So true... |
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