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Steve Schertzer
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Pusan
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Dear Steve,
You are a misanthropic, maladjusted, malicious malcontent. You appear to actually hate children and therefore should not ever be allowed to teach them. So please desist, and switch to a career that might permit your urges and drives to be used to their fullest advantage. Beating baby seals to death, perhaps, or stabbing kittens.
That is all,
Yours aye,
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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This is what I want to make crystal clear: Many Korean children today, especially teen aged boys, are viciously rude, ill-tempered, vulgar, unrefined, uncouth, and barely civilized. Many of them sprang from parents who are barely civilized themselves. Ouch! I know that hurts. But the truth must be told, and here's why.
Every year thousands of Korean students get hurt in their public schools, many of them seriously and some of them very seriously. People fall down stairs, bones get broken, heads are banged against walls, and some idiotic students try to push each other out the the window. I'm not the only teacher concerned about this. From a column titled "War at School" by Choi Tae-hwan, teacher Choi talks about his experiences. |
Very true though |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I want to make crystal clear: Many Korean children today, especially teen aged boys, are viciously rude, ill-tempered, vulgar, unrefined, uncouth, and barely civilized. Many of them sprang from parents who are barely civilized themselves. Ouch! I know that hurts. But the truth must be told, and here's why.
Every year thousands of Korean students get hurt in their public schools, many of them seriously and some of them very seriously. People fall down stairs, bones get broken, heads are banged against walls, and some idiotic students try to push each other out the the window. I'm not the only teacher concerned about this. From a column titled "War at School" by Choi Tae-hwan, teacher Choi talks about his experiences. |
Very true though |
Indisputably so, and I'm glad I've never witnessed any of that behavior at my PS.  |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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He doesn't hold back, does he?
Interesting, don't agree with much of it but think he's got balls for putting it all out there in the open. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| He doesn't hold back, does he? |
As he shouldn't....should he?  |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Steve,
Wow -- this piece makes me sorry I came out on your side in the other thread. I have to side with The Eyeball Kid on this one, though without the alliteration.
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| This is what I want to make crystal clear: Many Korean children today, especially teen aged boys, are viciously rude, ill-tempered, vulgar, unrefined, uncouth, and barely civilized. Many of them sprang from parents who are barely civilized themselves. Ouch! I know that hurts. But the truth must be told, and here's why. |
That is a reprehensible statement to be made by a "teacher." Get out of the business -- you will do (and perhaps have done) more harm than good. Your contribution in this field will be a net-negative, and it would make the world a happier place if we all strove to generate net-positive outcomes.
I defended your suggestion to "own the classroom." I still think that is a valid piece of advice. As my Daddy said, "the sun even shines on a dog's arsehole once in a while...." |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Oh but for the love of God would you please, please, please, please just go back to Thailand? You clearly cannot get along with anyone, and have no idea of the real problems underlying English education here. You also seem to see 10 bad things for every 1 good thing in Korean kids. If you actually knew anything about the kids who cause the most problems you'd know that it's usually not because their parents are uncivilised; it's because they effectively don't have parents in their lives. Perhaps you could try asking the home room teachers' about some of your trouble-makers' lives. Your attitude may shift quite a bit. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| ...although technically, one wouldn't stab kittens -- one steps on them. One stabs a panda or a koala. |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Right, because kids shooting each others' brains out in American classrooms is SO ABOVE the usual teenage violence seen in Korea. School shootings may be extreme cases of violence to show, but so are the ones that this guy is using as examples for Korea. Sure, the kids push each other and get in fights, but I haven't seen anything I didn't see or hear about back home. My cousins' high schools all had metal detectors and police stationed on every floor because the kids kept bringing guns and knives to school. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Oh but for the love of God would you please, please, please, please just go back to Thailand? You clearly cannot get along with anyone, and have no idea of the real problems underlying English education here. You also seem to see 10 bad things for every 1 good thing in Korean kids. If you actually knew anything about the kids who cause the most problems you'd know that it's usually not because their parents are uncivilised; it's because they effectively don't have parents in their lives. Perhaps you could try asking the home room teachers' about some of your trouble-makers' lives. Your attitude may shift quite a bit. |
It's pretty much the same kids who cause the problems in Thailand.
I see the same problems with the education here as in LOS. Although they are at opposites. Kids here are pushed too hard, over there not pushed enough.
Otherwise it's the same crap. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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He's all for pontificating hey? This whole schpeil:
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While it is true that many Korean and foreign teachers lack the skills and knowledge necessary to control their classes, that is not the major problem teachers have. Although it's not given the priority I believe it should in teacher training and professional development programs, classroom management can be taught to new teachers and can be learned through experience.
The major problem with teachers today is not a lack of skill or knowledge, but a lack of responsibility and leadership. There are simply not enough teachers who want to own the room, take control of the class, and take responsibility for the class.
This is not only unfortunate, it's tragic. In my experience, young students yearn for their teachers to show leadership. They need teachers who are not afraid to show that they are responsible and in charge. Young students should not be expected to raise themselves. Nor should they be expected to teach themselves. |
Sounds a bit too much like a propaganda film.
I highlighted that particular sentence because it was a retarded thing to say. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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He's all for pontificating hey? This whole schpeil:
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While it is true that many Korean and foreign teachers lack the skills and knowledge necessary to control their classes, that is not the major problem teachers have. Although it's not given the priority I believe it should in teacher training and professional development programs, classroom management can be taught to new teachers and can be learned through experience.
The major problem with teachers today is not a lack of skill or knowledge, but a lack of responsibility and leadership. There are simply not enough teachers who want to own the room, take control of the class, and take responsibility for the class.
This is not only unfortunate, it's tragic. In my experience, young students yearn for their teachers to show leadership. They need teachers who are not afraid to show that they are responsible and in charge. Young students should not be expected to raise themselves. Nor should they be expected to teach themselves. |
Sounds a bit too much like a propaganda film.
I highlighted that particular sentence because it was retarded idea.
Sorta like saying "carpenters don't need skill or knowledge to swing a hammer or use a tablesaw. It's about OWNING the tools". |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Naw, Khyber, that part actually makes sense -- it would be like saying "regardless of the skill level of the carpenter, his skill with a tablesaw or hammer doesn't matter if he doesn't stand by his work."
That sentence that you highlighted isn't saying that the teachers don't need skill or knowledge, it is saying knowledge or skill are not the underlying cause of the problems -- and with that I have to agree. Knowledge can be gained, skills can be honed, but I'm not sure how one acquires a strong work ethic and pride in his/her work. |
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