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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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 Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's 11 PM in LaLa Land. How is RP doing? Hmmm....let's check the figures:
$7,216,331.00Oh, no!!! Less than one hour left...It doesn't look like RP is going to make the goal.
I've been getting these numbers from: http://www.dailypaul.com/
One interesting thing: Only Senator Clinton and Obama have raised more than RP in one day of fund-raising this year. So that is an accomplishment. It tells reams about how the GOP is feeling about its candidates.
I wonder if RP can go back to his people next month and ask for another donation. The other day I saw a thing where some kid had emptied his piggy bank for Ron. I think that particular source is dry now. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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I find it strange that the candidate who simply wants the government to respect the laws it is held to is ridiculed to such a degree. Is not killing people for entertainment and votes not a respectable position? Is "peace" a comical goal?
Rudy is defending torture and has support of about 50% of the republican party, and you spend your after-babysitting time slamming Ron Paul? Are you fuc%ing serious? Hilary is likely in the "bomb Iran" camp. And you spend your time obsessing about Ron Paul? For real?
Or, maybe yata, you take offense that his supporters are eclectic? Hell, what right does he have to allow people who support him to support him regardless of their wacky past-times? Surely, being a 50 year old esl teacher, you don't judge people based upon the extent to which the conform to social expectations of "normal"? Do you? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I find it strange that the candidate who simply wants the government to respect the laws it is held to is ridiculed to such a degree. Is not killing people for entertainment and votes not a respectable position? Is "peace" a comical goal?
Rudy is defending torture and has support of about 50% of the republican party, and you spend your after-babysitting time slamming Ron Paul? Are you fuc%ing serious? Hilary is likely in the "bomb Iran" camp. And you spend your time obsessing about Ron Paul? For real?
Or, maybe yata, you take offense that his supporters are eclectic? Hell, what right does he have to allow people who support him to support him regardless of their wacky past-times? Surely, being a 50 year old esl teacher, you don't judge people based upon the extent to which the conform to social expectations of "normal"? Do you? |
In our neck of the woods, we call this being b1tch slapped! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps you need to calm down enough to make a coherent post.
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| wants the government to respect the laws it is held to |
That makes no sense. How can I respond?
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| Is not killing people for entertainment and votes not a respectable position? |
I think you are asking the opposite of what you mean. Check that. And who is killing for entertainment? This is a new allegation, even for Bush.
I'm not supporting Giuliani. I'm not responsible for what he supports.
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| Hilary is likely in the "bomb Iran" camp. |
I don't believe Senator Clinton is a war-monger. I would object if she said she would rule out war in all circumstances, however. I don't think a president has that liberty.
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| you take offense that his supporters are eclectic? |
No, I take offense at RP's wacky ideas.
I'm 58, not 50.
I object to RP because I feel he is dangerous to the future of my country. He is putting out simplistic and often silly solutions to very serious problems. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Perhaps you need to calm down enough to make a coherent post.
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| wants the government to respect the laws it is held to |
1) That makes no sense. How can I respond?
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| Is not killing people for entertainment and votes not a respectable position? |
2) I think you are asking the opposite of what you mean. Check that. And who is killing for entertainment? This is a new allegation, even for Bush.
I'm not supporting Giuliani. I'm not responsible for what he supports.
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| Hilary is likely in the "bomb Iran" camp. |
I don't believe Senator Clinton is a war-monger. I would object if she said she would rule out war in all circumstances, however. I don't think a president has that liberty. 3)
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| you take offense that his supporters are eclectic? |
No, I take offense at RP's wacky ideas. 4)
I'm 58, not 50.
I object to RP because I feel he is dangerous to the future of my country. He is putting out simplistic and often silly solutions to very serious problems. |
Your priorities are an absolute mess.
1) Ron Paul wants the government to respect civil liberties, follow the constitution and not go to war without congressional approval (which would be almost never.
2) The sentence makes sense. Is NOT KILLING people for votes and entertainment NOT a respectable position? I am making reference to your attitude.
Yes. Some soldiers kill for fun. Watch the Youtube vids they send home. They are very entertained. Mucho. It is disgusting. And the blackwater vids are the worst.
3) I didn't way "war monger". I said "bomb Iran camp". Wesley Clark seemed to allude that she would take action a few weeks back on Real Time. Bombing Iran is a massive mistake. Massive.
4) Following the rule of law and being a peaceful nation is a wacky idea? How totally screwed is your country/culture that a grown man can make such an assertion and think he is right?
Silly, simplistic. Yeah. 7 Years of this nonsense and nobody with the balls to oppose it, less one dude named Ron Paul (and maybe Obama) and Ron Paul is simplistic. Sure.
Your country is invading country after country after country. Pissing off the world. TORTURING. Suspending civil liberties. And you worry about and ridicule the most vocal opponent of these things. And you ridicule him over and over and over again. That is pathetic. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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is it unfair at this point to point out that ron paul is still a religious fruit who thinks that church and state shouldn't be separate
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
but then consider that while he believes and speaks about his feelings that a fetus is a living organism with feelings and rights, he generally votes pro-choice.
http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm
so in that is he leaving it up to the individual state to decide abortion law? is that a responsible move?
especially since he voted like this:
# Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
# Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
just think about how awesome the guy really is. is he? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| How totally screwed is your country/culture |
What's with this 'your country' business? Isn't it yours, too? Or are you one of those outside agitators? |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| I couldn't send any money because I have to pay for Ukrainian bride sevices, the summer AC electric bill and travel realted expenses. I'm sorry. Talk to me when I get my mental disabiltiy check. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| He's Ron Paul without the uberextremes. |
Dear god, man. The entire world is Ron Paul without the uberextremes. |
If only... |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| It creeps me out everytime he says, "I believe in the Constitution." |
That is why you are on the wrong side of many issues.
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| But the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, not Dr. Ron Paul. |
Incorrect. Your first statement was correct: we all interpret it. The SC gets to do it when a lawsuit comes down. The rest have to do it whenever they consider where they want their nation going, and what to do about abuse of power, who we want on the SC, etc. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| I second Peel. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| I third. Motion carried. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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The National Review... "Ron Paul, The Middle Finger Candidate"
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Tuesday, November 06, 2007
RON PAUL
Raining on the Paul-istinians Fundraising Parade
So Ron Paul's supporters, in a 24 hour period, donated $4.2 million to their man.
That's impressive, no two ways about it. But I have to disagree with my Corner colleague David Freddoso when he says, "among those for whom a sustained Iraq occupation is not a make-or-break issue, Paul's big day is going to win him a second look." How about those for whom a sustained military commitment to Afghanistan is a make-or-break issue? Ron Paul wants the troops home from there, too; he's not merely opposed to the controversial second post-9/11 U.S. military effort; he's opposed to the uncontroversial first one as well. Because it was... "mainly motivated by oil pipelines."
JW: What about Afghanistan? Would you continue the operations there?
RP: No, I would come home, unless there was specific knowledge of where Osama bin Laden was. Then I send out just a small team of people to take care of him.
I would not maintain the occupation of Afghanistan. That was mainly motivated by oil pipelines and some other things that are never discussed.
JW: Could you elaborate a little bit how oil pipelines were the motivation for going into Afghanistan?
RP: It's been known that certain oil companies were anxious for many, many years to be able to transverse Afghanistan to move natural gas. And that effort is still alive and well.
Too often, whether it's a pipeline in Afghanistan or control of oil wells in Iraq, oil and economics motivates our national policy much more so than national security.
In the day after the Senate voted to rebuke their "Betray-Us" ad, MoveOn.org raised $500,000. If an organization with that kind of an attack on a man like Petraeus can attact cash like that in a day, I'm less impressed by anybody able to gather cash over the net. Both efforts demonstrate that lot of people will donate money just to extend a middle finger to the establishment. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
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| It creeps me out everytime he says, "I believe in the Constitution." |
That is why you are on the wrong side of many issues. |
I believe in the Constitution, too. There are some people who believe in the Bible. Do they all agree on interpretation?
BTW, I'm content with what you say, although your view of issues of having two sides is what I may call 'simplistic.' 
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| But the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, not Dr. Ron Paul. |
Your first statement was correct: we all interpret it. The SC gets to do it when a lawsuit comes down. The rest have to do it whenever they consider where they want their nation going, and what to do about abuse of power, who we want on the SC, etc.[/quote]
Granted, to an extent.
But Ron Paul has a wierd interpretation of the Constitution. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Tony_Balony"]The National Review... "Ron Paul, The Middle Finger Candidate"
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JW: What about Afghanistan? Would you continue the operations there?
RP: No, I would come home, unless there was specific knowledge of where Osama bin Laden was. Then I send out just a small team of people to take care of him.
I would not maintain the occupation of Afghanistan. That was mainly motivated by oil pipelines and some other things that are never discussed.
JW: Could you elaborate a little bit how oil pipelines were the motivation for going into Afghanistan?
RP: It's been known that certain oil companies were anxious for many, many years to be able to transverse Afghanistan to move natural gas. And that effort is still alive and well.
Too often, whether it's a pipeline in Afghanistan or control of oil wells in Iraq, oil and economics motivates our national policy much more so than national security. |
He's dead on. Our supposed reason for going there was to get al Queda. That is no longer the reason, so what is? Oil pipeline. Read on the subject. You might be surprised.
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| In the day after the Senate voted to rebuke their "Betray-Us" ad, MoveOn.org raised $500,000... Both efforts demonstrate that lot of people will donate money just to extend a middle finger to the establishment. |
This is neither logical nor supportable. It is idiotic to reduce dissent to FU. |
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