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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
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| Ever been to Italy? Its a crime bonanza. |
thanks to the immigrants!! |
You have no idea.
The immigrants are the Grunts of crime, they are the bottom of the pile. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Ever been to Italy? Its a crime bonanza. |
thanks to the immigrants!! |
You have no idea.
The immigrants are the Grunts of crime, they are the bottom of the pile. |
Which is true. While the immigrants may commit someminor crimes, its the Italians doing the big jobs. Mafia, anyone? |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps it's a case of the devil you know.  |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Ever been to Italy? Its a crime bonanza. |
thanks to the immigrants!! |
Isn't the Mafia Italian?
You could almost say that cold-blooded gangsters are one of Italy's most famous exports.Romanians are hardly angels but Italy is a homogenous and xenophobic country. I say bring them all in. if they were muslims I might have reservations-but they're europeans, same as the Italians.
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XENOPHOBIC??? Roma has been a metropolis of foreigners for thousands of years! rome knows all things foriegn! they may not embrace it but they are surely not affraid of it! romanians are not the same as Italians just because they are europeans! if you ask me, the whole EU idea was stupid!
I believe one day countries will leave the EU and close its borders again
its just a nightmare! and it will destroy cultures..
THe mafia is Italian.. but dont confuse petty thieves with the MAFIA!
also.. every country has so called mafia! its just Italy made it famous through movies, and a respectful way to run an organized crime business!
the mafia is hardly italys greatest export.. its just one of thousands! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Juregen wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Ever been to Italy? Its a crime bonanza. |
thanks to the immigrants!! |
You have no idea.
The immigrants are the Grunts of crime, they are the bottom of the pile. |
Which is true. While the immigrants may commit someminor crimes, its the Italians doing the big jobs. Mafia, anyone? |
what ever!!! like poland doesnt have criminals!! juregen your country doesnt have crime??
sure their are italians doing illegal acts.. show me a country where people are not committing crime!!!
just becuase Italy made crime famous with exports to the states in the turn of the 20th century doesnt mean Italy is one big crime ring!
plenty of countries have mafia! italy had its day! russia, china and so many others are now world famous.. just dont have the style that the italians made glories.. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Italy is a one of the poorest country in Europe....
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That's a bit misleading. Italy is, I think, the 11th richest out of 27 member states with a per capita GDP of $35,000 in 2007.
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| Romanians are hardly angels but Italy is a homogenous and xenophobic country |
It certainly has a history of foreigners being targeted and blamed by the Far Right. Italy does have an enormous problem with racism and anti-semitism and thuggish behavior generally. Not sure it qualifies as 'xenophobic' mind you because it has a massive liberal and left wing and 'homogenous' less accurate still. Northern Italians are in many cases pale and have blonde hair and blue eyes. Southern Italians can be as dark as Turks. Also, it's a peninsula known for its lack of unity. Many Italians' chief loyalty is to the region first and the country second. The Italian national soccer team is the only thing in Italy that captures a national consciousness, otherwise it's a very heterogenous country with regional dialects often mutually unintelligible. Last but not least, it has a massive north-south and rich-poor divide. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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It certainly has a history of foreigners being targeted and blamed by the Far Right. Italy does have an enormous problem with racism and anti-semitism and thuggish behavior generally. Not sure it qualifies as 'xenophobic' mind you because it has a massive liberal and left wing and 'homogenous' less accurate still. Northern Italians are in many cases pale and have blonde hair and blue eyes. Southern Italians can be as dark as Turks. Also, it's a peninsula known for its lack of unity. Many Italians' chief loyalty is to the region first and the country second. The Italian national soccer team is the only thing in Italy that captures a national consciousness, otherwise it's a very heterogenous country with regional dialects often mutually unintelligible. Last but not least, it has a massive north-south and rich-poor divide. |
this sounds like every homogenous country in the world to me..
ohh and Juregen!
Italy is ranked 7th in the world! |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| It is long past time that the civilized countries of Europe, the Americas, and North East Asia started a litle quality discrimination. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Nurturing is the correct word in this instance, have you ever been to Italy, do you know any Italians, or let me even say, Europeans? |
I'm British and have travelled extensively throughout Europe, including Italy, so let's stop with that entirely irrelevant argument. By the way, my views, that mass immigration needs to be curtailed, and that countries have a right to control who enters their nations is one that is in tune with the vast majority of Europeans, unlike your idealistic PC garbage, advocated by only the extreme left.
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| If you are poor and you need to eat, and you don't have any financial means, you steal |
Or, if you are not of such low morals, you get what is known as a job, and there are plenty of these in Europe at the moment. True, they might not be the best jobs in the world, but if you have just left your gypsy encampment in Romania, you can't expect to become a fund manager overnight.
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| People who divide other people into "races" or "nationalities" are passive racists |
So, by your absurd, and patently extreme definition, almost everyone on the planet is a 'passive racist'. What a wonderful excuse for any negative immigrant behaviour.
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| Indians and Chinese are strong believers in Education and will sacrifice huge amount of personal wealth to see their kids thru school. Cultures who put less stress on education tend to drop out of the education system all together. |
Hang on, aren't you making some generalisations based on nationality? Sounds like you're guilty of a little 'passive racism' yourself. But since you recognise the differing outcomes of different ethnic groups, does it not make sense to encourage either, more people from such well achieving, or only allowed in skilled and qualified workers, thus ruling out the low skilled workers who so often cause such trouble. This would mean that Romanian gypsies, for example, would largely not be allowed to immigrate.
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| I still stand with my firm believe that they nurtured these criminals themselves. |
Despite absolutely no evidence that they did. In fact, very little that you state is backed up by any evidence at all.
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Do you know how hard it must be to start a crime organization in a country that is already riddled with crime? |
What we are talking about is not gypsies starting up their own mafia type activities (although they may well do so), but Romanian gypsies largely involving themselves in petty and violent crime, not organised crime. Unless you have evidence that the man who raped and brutally murdered the Admiral's wife was working for La Cosa Nostra, I suggest you shut the hell up. The Mafia are indeed a problem, but are mainly involved with drugs, prostitution, fraud, and protection rackets. They are not in the business of hiring Romanian gypsies to rape and murder Italian women, and the fact that such people have only been in Italy for a few years does not support your tenuous nonsense about the Italian state 'nurturing' them.
Could it be that gypsy culture (their desire to live a transient life outside society), plus the widespread acceptance in said culture of crime against non-gypsies could be the cause of such crime? No, that couldn't possibly be the case, because it doesn't fit in with your worldview that immigrants are essentially children, who can never be held accountable, and who can only get through life with the benevolent hand of the white man, which is, in fact, rather racist. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Yo Verne ...
So the admiral's wife was raped & murdered by a Romanian Gypsy?
Case closed? Has the trial been held? Did this individual confess?
No scapegoating or framing?
You seem to have a pretty good idea of what really happened. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Verne?
Few Foreigners Expelled In Italian Outcry
By COLLEEN BARRY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Nov 22, 3:36 PM ET
MILAN, Italy - Leading Italian politicians responded swiftly and vehemently after a Romanian Gypsy allegedly murdered a navy officer's wife: They announced 20,000 foreigners would be expelled from Rome alone.
But so far just 210 foreigners have been ordered deported from all of Italy under an "emergency" decree approved Nov. 1.
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071122/ap_on_re_eu/italy_immigrant_tensions
200 given the boot.
550, 000 plus more "criminals" to go? |
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