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slothrop
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
In Texas, it's against the law for anyone to have a pair of pliers in his or her possession.
In Philadelphia, you can't put pretzels in bags based on an Act of 1760.
Alaska law says that you can't look at a moose from an airplane.
In Corpus Christie, Texas, it is illegal to raise alligators in your home.
In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal.
It is against the law to mispronounce the name of the State of Arkansas in that State.
In Illinois, the law is that a car must be driven with the steering wheel.
In Korea, it's against the law for a qualified English teacher, who is in Korea on a legal teaching visa to teach English outside his primary place of work |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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slothrop,
Funny but completely irrelevant comparison. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
In Texas, it's against the law for anyone to have a pair of pliers in his or her possession.
In Philadelphia, you can't put pretzels in bags based on an Act of 1760.
Alaska law says that you can't look at a moose from an airplane.
In Corpus Christie, Texas, it is illegal to raise alligators in your home.
In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal.
It is against the law to mispronounce the name of the State of Arkansas in that State.
In Illinois, the law is that a car must be driven with the steering wheel.
In Korea, it's against the law for a qualified English teacher, who is in Korea on a legal teaching visa to teach English outside his primary place of work |
| Homer wrote: |
| Funny but completely irrelevant comparison. |
Why? It makes just as much sense as the rest.
And, The Conservative would rat you out on any of them, right, Con? Not only that, if you knew someone was doing any of these things and didn't yourself rat them out to the cops, you would be guilty of a crime, right, Con?
P.S. In New York City, it is illegal to park your car at night with the lights off (so that the horse-and-buggies don't run into them). |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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You are comparing a national labor law regarding the issuance and limits of work visas to some quirky and weird older laws that remained on the books in various US states....
The comparison does not float any more than a submarine with screendoors...sorry.
The work visa law is not non-sense. It is a law to control the movement of foreign labor in the country. To obtain a work visa here, you need to be sponsored by an employer. This comes with responsibilities for the employer and with limits.
Some of these limits may be inconvenient but they sure do not compare to some of the silliest "laws" listed here...come on now. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
The work visa law is not non-sense. It is a law to control the movement of foreign labor in the country. To obtain a work visa here, you need to be sponsored by an employer. This comes with responsibilities for the employer and with limits.
Some of these limits may be inconvenient but they sure do not compare to some of the silliest "laws" listed here...come on now. |
The nonsense part is that a qualified teacher could be illegal for teaching. What the law says here is nonsense; it should be like in other places where, if you, and not your employer, owns your visa, i.e. it is portable. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Aint going anywhere, ya-ta boy. At least not yet  |
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elliemk
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Sparkling Korea!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| just posting a reply so I can keep in touch with this thread! |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| The nonsense part is that a qualified teacher could be illegal for teaching. |
How so?
If a qualified teacher on an E-2 is teachign privates for example...he is qualified but he is still breaking the law. Hence he is doing something illegal.
If a qualified teacher works here without a visa...he is doing something illegal.
Now, qualifications are about requirements right?
The requirements here are to have a B.A. from a university in a select list of countries. Anything else makes you ineligible for the work visa...this may be inneficient but it would make a teacher who does not have these qualification requirements illegal, regardless of if he or she is "qualified". |
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jaderedux2
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: lurking just lurking
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on how much it affects me. I am on an F2 working now on my F5. But I am weary. I am tired of this crap. I have a job lined up in China and to be honest, while my husband "ain't" to thrilled. I just don't care.
This has to be the worst year on record in the 7 years I have been here. I am a respectable member of the community. I pay taxes. I shop mostly local. I don't don't do drugs, drink or carouse around. Yet for the 5th time in 7 years I am told I must prove that I have a degree, that my school exists and when I did it wasn't enough and had to send for transcripts because my Principal wants to prove what a hard a$$ he can be.
Why because some KOREAN profs. got caught and we are being used as distraction and 1 teacher turned out to be a pedophile. Who was, by the way, here legally. He had all the proper documentation and as far as anyone knows did not abuse children here. (that doesn't make him any less of a slimy dirt bag) but the new regs would not keep him out or any pedophile that does not have a record.
I am weary. My one candle is not working. I may go back to cursing the darkness. Up to this moment I loved working here I liked teaching here. I dealt with the crap. But I am weary. You can't keep beating a person down and still expect them to take it.
Jade, weary, sad and monumentally disappointed! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Aint going anywhere, ya-ta boy. At least not yet |
Good to hear. Our little world needs some stability.
I'm having to decide by the 23rd if I want to renew or move on. I've never had to prove my diploma was real, that I'm not a crook fleeing from the law or had an interview at a consulate. Given the scarcity of jobs that fit my definition of 'good' and the difficulty of overcoming age discrimination (I turned 58 this year), I'm feeling pressured to stay on at a position I don't particularly like.
As for the comments people have been making:
In my opinion, none of the new regulations are bad. I wouldn't object to going through the process ONE time. My preference, in an ideal world, would be to go through all the certification and then be issued an ID that Immi kept in its permanent files so that when I applied for a new position all I had to do was supply a prospective employer with the ID number and they could call up Immi and get verification. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the druggies and perverts will come work on tourist visas.
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Bingo- You are correct, sir- you get a cookie. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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slothrop,
Funny but completely irrelevant comparison. |
no, man, no. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Because then maybe we wouldn't have to verify our degrees every time. Maybe we wouldn't have to fly back to our home countries between jobs,
Maybe we wouldn't have to submit police checks and medical reports every time as well.
Maybe teaching English might be looked at with a little more respect if people could be assured that 99% of us were legal...and perhaps we might get a little more respect as well. |
Hahahahaahahahahahaah! You think these new regulations will magically produce some respect for foreigners in Korea? You're being facetious, right? Good one!
I think this is the main point we're all disagreeing on. Some people believe these new regulations are being implemented for good reasons. Others think its a reactionary move in an election year that does nothing in practice.
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| Anyway, again, the law requires a degree. Teaching without one, even if you think it is ok, is a crime right now and it goes with a penalty. This crime would be fraud or labour law violation. |
Thank you for putting words in my mouth although I've said repeatedly that some punishment is needed for working illegally. I don't think its 'OK' to teach without a degree. I just think 1 year jail time is unreasonable. I think the death penalty shouldn't be used, that doesn't mean I'm pro-murder.
I agree to disagree on this point. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Blackcat...I missunderstood you then and I apologize for that.
As for the penalties associated with teaching illegally, I think a year in jail is too much for certain cases.
My take on this would be:
Legal teacher caught doing privates: Fine and deportation along with seizure of K-bank account (this happens already in some cases).
Illegal teacher here on a tourist visa: same as above
Teacher here on fake papers: whatever the law here states for commiting document fraud.
I would ad that this should include a heavy fine, deportation and seizure of K-bank account(s) as the money earned is considered profiteering from a crime.
All this being said, teachers who engage in illegal activities here should at the very least know what can happen to them if caught (that means knowing the laws and penalties). If caught, your time is up and you have no right to complain or to get sympathy because really you are just stuck having to pay for your chosen gamble....
We can debate about what makes a suitable penalty all day long but in the end, the Korean government and ministry of justice decides what is an appropriate punishment...once we enter here, we just have to live with it. |
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