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Which is the more racist: USA or UK? |
Probably USA |
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Probably UK |
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They're probably about the same |
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No idea |
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How could you go about quantifying such a thing? |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: Is America more racist than Britain? |
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This black American professor thinks that the US is more racist than the UK. What do you think?
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When I was a graduate student, one episode seared on to my consciousness the very great difference between British and American academics in terms of how racism is tolerated. Oxford University awarded me the Senior Mathematical Prize and Johnson University Prize, its highest mathematics awards - something that would have been inconceivable in the United States because I am African-American.
Obviously there is racism in Britain too, but I find that there is also an intolerance for intolerance. And that is why I believe James Watson, despite years of espousing his eugenics mush in America, met his El Alamein in Britain. As you probably know, the American biologist and Nobel laureate recently stated that Africans are less intelligent than whites - it's in the genes - and, to its credit, the Science Museum in London cancelled a talk Watson was to give. By contrast, many Americans still defend the man.
Two stories illustrate the difference. In 2001, when I was a Fulbright Distinguished Scholar to the United Kingdom - one of less than half-a-dozen Americans to receive the award that year - I was welcomed as a visiting member of the Senior Common Room at my Oxford college. By contrast, when I visited the Massachusetts Institute of Technology two years later, my greeting was somewhat different.
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how you go about quantifying such a thing which is why I chose the fifth choice. It seems to me entirely subjective. That being said, I really hope that this doesn't turn into a p1ssing contest. I've never even been to the UK so I cannot really compare. I will say this though. In the northern states we harp on about how we always despised slavery and we never had the Jim Crow laws, supposedly. There was/is racisism in the north, it just manifested itself in different ways Yet, when Martin Luther King visited Chicago, he said it was the "most racist city in America." There is some truth to that. After all, we had the projects which ended up being run down crime ridden ghettos. This is much like the Algerian community in France though not to the same extent. I've done some research on this from my reading. Steve Levitt touched on it lightly, in Freakonomics, in his work. I'll have to go back and do some research to fully comment. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ethnic groups seem to be markedly separate in the U.S.
This is not really the case in the UK. They're much more integrated. (With the possible exception of muslims.) |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Julius wrote: |
Ethnic groups seem to be markedly separate in the U.S.
This is not really the case in the UK. They're much more integrated. (With the possible exception of muslims.) |
Ethnic groups seem to be markedly separate in the U.K especially the Catholics, East Asians, and Muslims.
This is not really the case in the US. They're much more integrated. |
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newton kabiddles
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Is America more racist than Britain? |
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Oxford University awarded me the Senior Mathematical Prize and Johnson University Prize, its highest mathematics awards - something that would have been inconceivable in the United States because I am African-American. |
Whaaaaaa! I'm a black Mathematician and I want the USA to give me an award. Whaaaaaa! |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Is America more racist than Britain? |
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newton kabiddles wrote: |
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Oxford University awarded me the Senior Mathematical Prize and Johnson University Prize, its highest mathematics awards - something that would have been inconceivable in the United States because I am African-American. |
Whaaaaaa! I'm a black Mathematician and I want the USA to give me an award. Whaaaaaa! |
He got a freakin' Fullbright. |
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yushin
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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the south of the USA was like South Africa only 30 or 40 years ago (eg separate toilets, drinking fountains etc)...UK is racist but we're a lot more subtle about it... |
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Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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It does seem to be that England (and Europe as a whole) hate Muslims more than Americans do. Or at least that's how it's portrayed abroad. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Interesting question.
I should ask my Brit cousins their opinions on the matter. Hell, I should ask my Canadian cousins as well to make it a real interesting case study.
But....I honestly don't know. I personally have dealt with more racism in 3+ years in Korea than in 22 years in America and I've never been to England....
Racism is everywhere. Plunk a white guy in Jamaica and I'm sure his experiences might be quite different from my own. I don't see the point comparing places. In the end, racism is bad and ranking countries based on its presence, whether subtle or in your face, doesn't help matters... |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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This question aims to quantify a moving target from the perspective of a moving target.
That is, I do not think people can isolate this question and the subject matter from their preexisting views regarding the United States (especially in the current political environment). This question, then, can serve no other purpose but to declare British moral superiority vis-a-vis the United States.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: |
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When a person, from anywhere in the world, comes to America and gains citizenship, they are considered Americans.
I'm told that in Britain it is not quite the same.
Furthermore, America has some of the strongest anti-discrimination laws in the world.
I know that if you're talking about certain parts of America, particularly the Northeast (excluding perhaps Maine), it would easily be less racist than any place in Britain.
I think British fall into a huge trap whenever they treat America as a whole. Its such a big country, that its hard to come up with any reliable stereotype that wouldn't be defeated by travelling to many other parts of the same country. People on this board have the same trouble when they talk about China. |
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bigverne

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I know that if you're talking about certain parts of America, particularly the Northeast (excluding perhaps Maine), it would easily be less racist than any place in Britain. |
And you know this because? If the NE of America is 'easily less racist than any place in Britain' why are your cities so much more segregated than ours? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: |
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bigverne wrote: |
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I know that if you're talking about certain parts of America, particularly the Northeast (excluding perhaps Maine), it would easily be less racist than any place in Britain. |
And you know this because? If the NE of America is 'easily less racist than any place in Britain' why are your cities so much more segregated than ours? |
Possibly to do with economics? I'm not an expert, but I would guess that most African-Americans are going to be the descendants of slaves, and will thus be, at least partly, still hobbled socially and economically by that legacy.
Whereas in the UK(and you can correct me if I'm wrong), I would guess that most blacks are either recent immigrants or descended from recent immigrants. So, despite the history of colonialism in their home countries, the people who migrate to the UK are likely to be the ones who have the financial and social wherewithal to make such a move. So they'll likely have an easier time integrating, socially and economically, into the white neighbourhoods.
Again, just a theory. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have no clue how you would quantify such a thing as racism, so I'll stay out of that debate.
I am curious about two things. When did Britain start getting ethnic minorities (except for the Scotch, Welsh and Irish)? How are ethnic minorities doing in terms of representation in Parliament? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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bigverne wrote: |
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I know that if you're talking about certain parts of America, particularly the Northeast (excluding perhaps Maine), it would easily be less racist than any place in Britain. |
And you know this because? If the NE of America is 'easily less racist than any place in Britain' why are your cities so much more segregated than ours? |
Segregation is a good point. I had forgotten about that. London has some segregation issues but the statistics appear to show that Boston's are worse.
Anyway, I'll content myself with saying that the person in the article is only speaking his opinion. I do not think that establishes much towards American racism. |
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