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Morton



Joined: 06 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Non teaching job offer - help needed Reply with quote

Here's the scoop.

I've been offered a job at a large Korean Petrochemical company. I will be working in sales/marketing and be in the office long hours. 7-7pm depending on the situation.

What i would like help on is how much is a good salary to ask for? Also how do the bonuses work in Korea. Does everyone get a bonus every 6 months. I have asked for 4,100,000 a month which is what i could earn back home, but the rent for an apartment here is pretty steep. I know they will counter with a lower figure but i'd like to know what is acceptable for someone with a BA and a couple of years experience.

If you can help please reply or send me a PM.

Thanks.
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renzobenzo1



Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Location: Suji, Yongin

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah you are a legend! you were looking for a non-teaching job with a company against all the odds and got one.

Good luck. I would be stoked with anything around that figure.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my opinion, but you should be getting more. You are comparing your potential salary to what you might make 'back home'. However, there is a premium associated with working overseas (whether or not we percieve there needing to be one!).

Are you slotted to perform in a job that a Korean wouldn't be able to? This is key. I only know a few westerners here who have made the jump to corporateville, and they are all compensated quite well. The low figure I can give you is around 80K USD/year; the high is around 130K. Both figures include housing. They all have a BA. Not an issue.

It might not hurt to keep the salary and housing separate in your negotiations. If you've already only asked for 4.1, then so be it. Done deal. However, if they counter lower, tell them that you had anticipated getting at least 1.5 million/month for a housing/cost of living adjustment.

And then you have to figure in your bonus. Be careful when you negotiate this point. The bonus is usually not figured in, so if they counter with 3.5, for example, say OK, but then ask how much of a bonus you can expect?

Remember that you can always renegotiate higher when the next contract comes around. In the meantime, though, it's a good idea to start piling up credentials to back up any request for an increase. For example, if you are in finance, you can get certifications or start an on-line MBA. These are flags that scream that you are serious about your career and advancement. Plus, once you are in the system, you'll make more contacts.

It goes without saying that you have to dress, look, and act the part of mean-Joe-corporate guy. That point is often not addressed, but it will score you points in a big way.

Good on you for scoring an opportunity. Hope that things go your way.
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Freakstar



Joined: 29 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear OP:

Congrats on your job offer. Don't listen to this guy, PRagic...cuz he OBVIOUSLY doesn't know what the *beep* he's talking about. I'm a Senior Manager/Division Head at a major Korean conglomerate who is bilingual and trust me, $80,000 is NOT the low end of the pay scale for someone with just a B.A. and two years' experience.

Didn't they let you know what your salary would be when they gave you the offer? Will you be required to speak, read or write Korean? What is your position/title? One's position and rank is VERY important in the Korean corporate world.

I can give you some advice cuz they will definitely try to lowball you. PM me if you don't want to discuss details here.

p.s. I saw in another thread that you don't speak Korean. Maybe it's not necessary for your job, but I would think that this would be a big drawback for you since you'll be working for a Korean company.


PRagic wrote:
Just my opinion, but you should be getting more. You are comparing your potential salary to what you might make 'back home'. However, there is a premium associated with working overseas (whether or not we percieve there needing to be one!).

Are you slotted to perform in a job that a Korean wouldn't be able to? This is key. I only know a few westerners here who have made the jump to corporateville, and they are all compensated quite well. The low figure I can give you is around 80K USD/year; the high is around 130K. Both figures include housing. They all have a BA. Not an issue.

It might not hurt to keep the salary and housing separate in your negotiations. If you've already only asked for 4.1, then so be it. Done deal. However, if they counter lower, tell them that you had anticipated getting at least 1.5 million/month for a housing/cost of living adjustment.

And then you have to figure in your bonus. Be careful when you negotiate this point. The bonus is usually not figured in, so if they counter with 3.5, for example, say OK, but then ask how much of a bonus you can expect?

Remember that you can always renegotiate higher when the next contract comes around. In the meantime, though, it's a good idea to start piling up credentials to back up any request for an increase. For example, if you are in finance, you can get certifications or start an on-line MBA. These are flags that scream that you are serious about your career and advancement. Plus, once you are in the system, you'll make more contacts.

It goes without saying that you have to dress, look, and act the part of mean-Joe-corporate guy. That point is often not addressed, but it will score you points in a big way.

Good on you for scoring an opportunity. Hope that things go your way.


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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish corporations and chaebols would hire foreigners to learn Korean and translate it into English for advertising and product info reasons as well as assist with international business deals and translating engineering processes language.

If Korea really wants to learn English, it needs to incorporate it into the everyday life found outside of schools such as in the business world. This is why when a Korean spends time in an English speaking country, they actually learn English. Having the education system and the business world being incongruent means a messy situation. All these school teach English, but very little is to be found in everyday life outside of schools. Something is badly wrong with the picture.

I always dreamed of a business oriented job making thousands of dollars a month where you fly places and fly high in life. OP, go for it if it's there.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakstar wrote:
Dear OP:

Congrats on your job offer. Don't listen to this guy, PRagic...cuz he OBVIOUSLY doesn't know what the *beep* he's talking about. I'm a Senior Manager/ Department Head at a major Korean conglomerate who is bilingual and trust me, $80,000 is NOT the low end of the pay scale for someone with just a B.A. and two years' experience.

Didn't they let you know what your salary would be when they gave you the offer? Are you bilingual? Will you be required to speak, read or write Korean? What is your position? (manager, senior manager, director, etc.)

I can give you some advice. PM me if you don't want to discuss details here.


PRagic wrote:
Just my opinion, but you should be getting more. You are comparing your potential salary to what you might make 'back home'. However, there is a premium associated with working overseas (whether or not we percieve there needing to be one!).

Are you slotted to perform in a job that a Korean wouldn't be able to? This is key. I only know a few westerners here who have made the jump to corporateville, and they are all compensated quite well. The low figure I can give you is around 80K USD/year; the high is around 130K. Both figures include housing. They all have a BA. Not an issue.

It might not hurt to keep the salary and housing separate in your negotiations. If you've already only asked for 4.1, then so be it. Done deal. However, if they counter lower, tell them that you had anticipated getting at least 1.5 million/month for a housing/cost of living adjustment.

And then you have to figure in your bonus. Be careful when you negotiate this point. The bonus is usually not figured in, so if they counter with 3.5, for example, say OK, but then ask how much of a bonus you can expect?

Remember that you can always renegotiate higher when the next contract comes around. In the meantime, though, it's a good idea to start piling up credentials to back up any request for an increase. For example, if you are in finance, you can get certifications or start an on-line MBA. These are flags that scream that you are serious about your career and advancement. Plus, once you are in the system, you'll make more contacts.

It goes without saying that you have to dress, look, and act the part of mean-Joe-corporate guy. That point is often not addressed, but it will score you points in a big way.

Good on you for scoring an opportunity. Hope that things go your way.


Oh! Is that what you are now? Congratulations on the promotion. Some people back home call themselves engineers when all they are are garbagemen i.e. sanitation engineers.

OP, you too can be a gopher with a self-made glorified title you can use on the net. And you too may be able to learn to swear in and write a little Korean! Wow!

I would listen to PRagic instead. He has a PhD and is surrounded by intelligent people from all sorts of industries and with many contacts.
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kitekid



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: usually at http://www.expatkorea.com/

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Non teaching job offer - help needed Reply with quote

Morton wrote:
sales/marketing and be in the office long hours... 7-7pm depending on the situation...Does everyone get a bonus every 6 months. I have asked for 4,100,000 a month... I know they will counter with a lower figure but i'd like to know what is acceptable for someone with a BA and a couple of years experience.

If you can help please reply or send me a PM.

Thanks.


not sure what your new job entails, but 7-7 is a 12 hour day! any chance you're also "teaching" the employees before and after work?

as for bonuses, depends on the company.

imo, you should have gone higher since they will most likely counter with a figure at least 500,000 lower.

even if you get the 4.1 you asked for, you're not going to see all of it.

you need to consider the tax bracket you are now in with that salary. with no dependants (self) and no children under 20, your monthly income tax is ₩ 310,840.

http://www.nts.go.kr/front/service/refer_cal/gani/refer_gani_eng.asp

also figure in higher medical insurance and pension contributions as well.

by the time all is said and done you're looking at 3.2-3.5 take home.

then subtract out maybe another 500,000 a month in rent...

you get the picture.

ignore Freakstar. everyone knows that the real buck stops with 부장님, anyway. Wink
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Tukkong



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morton, congratulations on the offer. You are very lucky to have received an offer with only a BA and a few years experience. Nevertheless, I hope it works out well. At the very least, it should be a great learning experience.

It is very difficult to advise you without knowing the duties that you will be performing and the position you will assume. If you post some information, you might get some more useful advice (the discussion so far has been Rolling Eyes

If you are doing sales, commission might be involved. If this is the case, you will have to think about what is involved. I don't know your work background, but sales can be a financial rollercoaster. In my experience, it can take several months to develop the skills, knowledge, and client base to sell successfully.

One thing that should be noted about your salary is that you have been offered the job within Korea. Therefore, you are not classified as an expat and should not expect an expat package - hopefully, you will get some of the benefits.

Finally, don't worry about additional study, at this point. You will be pretty tired from the long days at work and you won't have the energy for MBA studies.

Rather than listen to us, maybe you should contact some of the foreigners with the other petrochemical companies. I know some of them and they are nice guys who would probably give some advice.

Keep us updated with how it goes.
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