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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Empty Apologies Reply with quote

I've been noticing more and more the number of what I consider "empty apologies" from Koreans. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this or if I'm being overly sentitive.

For example, you get cut off on the road, and a simple "I'm sorry" wave of the hand afterwards apparently excuses the wrongdoer of accountability. At work, promises are made only to be broken. There is no accountabilty, other than an "I'm sorry" or a "please understand".

I really believe that these people think that an apology, and an insincere one at that, somehow absolves blame and ends the problem in their eyes. Even worse, I think they will continue to do the same "wrong things" again and again because all they have to do to solve the problem is to say "I'm sorry".

Am I wrong?
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therooster



Joined: 11 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong and stupid .
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's the Canadian influence. I went back to Canada a few years ago and people would apologise when they passed me a meter away on the sidewalk.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

therooster wrote:
Wrong and stupid .


hehe. tell us what you really think.

But really, when have you ever gotten an apology for being cut off on the road here?
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP receives a Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes (out of ten) rating for his trolling.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Empty Apologies Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:
you get cut off on the road, and a simple "I'm sorry" wave of the hand afterwards apparently excuses the wrongdoer of accountability.

Happens just as often back home. Even then you might not get the wave, just an embarassed shrug that seems to say, "Yep, I'm an idiot."

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At work, promises are made only to be broken. There is no accountabilty, other than an "I'm sorry" or a "please understand".

"Oh I understand... I understand that you are a liar." I said that several times to my last employer. He didn't like it, but he liked getting reamed by Labor and Pension even less.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
therooster wrote:
Wrong and stupid .


hehe. tell us what you really think.

But really, when have you ever gotten an apology for being cut off on the road here?


Maybe not an apology, but an acknowledgement, the hand up in the air. But it's not sincere and they'll cut someone else off two minutes later and wave the hand again.

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
Happens just as often back home. Even then you might not get the wave, just an embarassed shrug that seems to say, "Yep, I'm an idiot."


That's what I'm getting at, I guess. Does it happen just as frequently back home? I've been gone so long, I sometimes wonder if my perceptions have morphed with time. But I feel more of a 'mea culpa', sincere, 'Im-an-iodiot' type of apology back home. Here it just feels empty and I don't think they mean it. It's just a get-out-of-jail-free card.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:

That's what I'm getting at, I guess. Does it happen just as frequently back home? I've been gone so long, I sometimes wonder if my perceptions have morphed with time.


Where I'm from, it sure as hell doesn't happen. I'm not from a huge city, but I can't remember seeing anyone do even close to the kind of crap I see on the streets every day here. I still can't believe I haven't seen someone get killed yet, with how often people blow red lights, drive on sidewalks, left on red, etc. My favorite K-Driver move is the "I almost hit you, but I'm going to get angry as if you are the one at fault" move...
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies here are hollow, The SOB who runs the red lights, missing you by a whisker, will wave an apology to you. Because of the SOB, you could have been maimed for life.
Point 1. The SOB will ONLY apologise if confronted. (Usually it's hey! I missed you, what's your problem, besides I have a big black car.)
Point 2. After nearly killing you, he'll go do it again to someone else 2 minutes later.

Apologies here are as meaningless and useless as *beep* on a bull.
The arrogance is incredible.
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst is when a sincere apology is absolutely in order, but it's staunchly withheld out of arrogance or ego.
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry you feel that way
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting that Hanson is being called a troll by someone who's been on the board less then a week?

I smell a troll alright, but it's not Hanson.


Hanson:

I agree with you 100%. I've actually said some pretty nasty things to people who run through crosswalks when the light is red and their are people walking across the street. One of the replies I got recently from such an encounter was exactly the same thing you described.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
I smell a troll alright, but it's not Hanson.

Agreed. Hanson has been on the board for a few years and is an established poster. Additionally I know him in real life, he wouldn't troll a board.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Milwaukiedave wrote:
I smell a troll alright, but it's not Hanson.

Agreed. Hanson has been on the board for a few years and is an established poster. Additionally I know him in real life, he wouldn't troll a board.


Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys.

I'm basically wondering if I'm out of it thinking that apologies are emptier here in Korea than what I remember them being back home. Are people sincere back home when they apologize? Do people try to make amends or do they just wave a hand, say "I'm sorry" and that's it? I seem to remember people back home being more sincere than they are here.

Again, Am I wrong?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson,

I think you have forgotten the ole drive-by-get-out-of-here apology that has become the norm back home too! Laughing

People use the apology in the situations you describe as a get out of jail free card. It is just something that comes out automatically and holds very little meaning (most of the time).

Take the guy who bumbed into my wife and son at Pearson airport last year while walking and talking on his cell. He plowed right into my wife who was holding our son. He uttered a mumbled "sorry" without looking and kept moving....it is just an auto-response I think.

So it seems this type of behaviour has made its way here too... Laughing

I remember when I first arrived and was walking at the market...getting bumbed into and I would say sorry all the time. It was a auto-response...a social grace without much sincere or deeper meaning...

By the way calling Hanson a troll is pretty dumb. He has a long posting history and trolling is not something he does...ever....

In fact, he has to be one of the most interesting posters here...he brings a distinctive view on things and while I may not always agree with him, he has my respect.


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