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NoDolan

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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: Toeic. What is it and why am I teaching it ? |
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So I just started on the first of November and I'm teaching Toeic. I have no idea what it is, and why I'm teaching it or how to teach it.
From what I can tell most of my students in my class speak little English.
I really don't know what to do with this class. There is no curriclium. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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TOEIC
Test of English-e for International Communication
A lot of business type english....
It's a test that a lot of students in Korea take before they can get a job at a bank or an airline, etc. Some of my students have used their TOEIC scores to get into special English High Schools.
How to teach it? Depends on the book(s) you are using and the level of the kids. You say your students speak little english-e......how little? What age-e are they? I've noticed that a LOT of the TOEIC books my students have are in Korean and English. um, that is the explanations are in Korean and the questions are in English-e.
There are reading sections, listening sections, and a weird "look at the picture and guess what's happening section".
go here http://iteslj.org/Articles/Gilfert-TOEIC.html
In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. There's less focus on the ability to comprehend academic lectures, etc and more focus on real world English-e.
Just roll with it. TEPS, TOEFL, and TOEIC are all boring classes to teach, so try to make them interesting for you students. Otherwise, you'll end up with blank stares; especially from the lower level students. |
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fancypants
Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: |
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TOEIC is a pretty easy class to teach if you like teacher-centred classrooms. The students will pretty much expect to do practice test after practice test class after class. You basically sit there while they do the practice sections and then explain vocab after they do them. You can get them to do pair/group work by getting them to brainstorm strategies to "beat" each section.
There are 7 sections: 1-4 is listening comprehension and 5-7 is reading and grammar. The test doesn't measure productive skills. Longman and Oxford put out pretty good TOEIC prep materials. The most popular materials in Korea are the "super elite" series put out by Sisa.
It baffles me how you are expected to teach TOEIC without a myriad of test prep stuff. Good luck! |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
| In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. |
There is no "in general" about it. TOEFL is designed to fail people. The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. TOEFL is meant as a gatekeeper, TOEIC is not. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. |
There is no "in general" about it. TOEFL is designed to fail people. The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. TOEFL is meant as a gatekeeper, TOEIC is not. |
They are designed by the same company, for different reasons. gatekeeper? Sounds like your tinfoil hat has failed.
TOEIC is not for kids trying to gain admission into US universities. TOEFL is. TOEFL is harder. A US university is harder than a job as a bank teller or airline stewardess.
I taught an English course at a US university. TOEFL is not too hard. It keeps smart and dumb foreigners who can not speak English-e out of our public university system. But, we still allow foreigners and americans with shi**tty test scores admission to our private university schools as long as they can pay double what instate tuition is.
Maybe TOEFL is just too hard for you. Maybe not. Maybe you went to Harvard, like GWB.
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. |
There is no "in general" about it. TOEFL is designed to fail people. The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. TOEFL is meant as a gatekeeper, TOEIC is not. |
gatekeeper? Sounds like your tinfoil hat has failed.
TOEFL is harder. [...] It keeps smart and dumb foreigners who can not speak English-e out of our public university system. |
Yes, and what you described is a gatekeeper. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| You don't teach it you floss your teeth w/ it. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. |
I don't know how a native speaker who has completed high school could possibly fail the TOEFL test. I do think that if one can not pass it they have no place in a university in an English speaking country. It's a good way to prevent the unskilled from the financial waste and embarrassment of being exposed in class/their essay writing. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. |
There is no "in general" about it. TOEFL is designed to fail people. The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. TOEFL is meant as a gatekeeper, TOEIC is not. |
gatekeeper? Sounds like your tinfoil hat has failed.
TOEFL is harder. [...] It keeps smart and dumb foreigners who can not speak English-e out of our public university system. |
Yes, and what you described is a gatekeeper. |
wow.. o r right.
momentary lapse of reason....u r right gatekeeper,
but designed to fail people?
naw
screen door-kees moogies out. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. |
There is no "in general" about it. TOEFL is designed to fail people. The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. TOEFL is meant as a gatekeeper, TOEIC is not. |
They are designed by the same company, for different reasons. gatekeeper? Sounds like your tinfoil hat has failed.
TOEIC is not for kids trying to gain admission into US universities. TOEFL is. TOEFL is harder. A US university is harder than a job as a bank teller or airline stewardess.
I taught an English course at a US university. TOEFL is not too hard. It keeps smart and dumb foreigners who can not speak English-e out of our public university system. But, we still allow foreigners and americans with shi**tty test scores admission to our private university schools as long as they can pay double what instate tuition is.
Maybe TOEFL is just too hard for you. Maybe not. Maybe you went to Harvard, like GWB.
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What does Tin Foil Hat mean?!
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| In general, TOEIC is easier than TOEFL for Koreans. |
There is no "in general" about it. TOEFL is designed to fail people. The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. TOEFL is meant as a gatekeeper, TOEIC is not. |
They are designed by the same company, for different reasons. gatekeeper? Sounds like your tinfoil hat has failed.
TOEIC is not for kids trying to gain admission into US universities. TOEFL is. TOEFL is harder. A US university is harder than a job as a bank teller or airline stewardess.
I taught an English course at a US university. TOEFL is not too hard. It keeps smart and dumb foreigners who can not speak English-e out of our public university system. But, we still allow foreigners and americans with shi**tty test scores admission to our private university schools as long as they can pay double what instate tuition is.
Maybe TOEFL is just too hard for you. Maybe not. Maybe you went to Harvard, like GWB.
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Are you drunk?! |
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Roch
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. |
I don't know how a native speaker who has completed high school could possibly fail the TOEFL test. I do think that if one can not pass it they have no place in a university in an English speaking country. It's a good way to prevent the unskilled from the financial waste and embarrassment of being exposed in class/their essay writing. |
Are you a Caucasian? |
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fancypants
Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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The TOEIC is easier for Koreans because it doesn't require them to speak or write. As far as I am concerned it's a totally useless test and it completely baffles me why so many employers require it of job candidates.
A few months back, I was pleased as punch at the rumours going around that Korea was going to weed the TOEIC out. I assumed that they were finally seeing what a useless test it was and that they would adopt a much better test such as the IELTS or the FCE (both put out by Cambridge University) which give a much better indication of real, functional English skills. I was totally shocked when I found out that they were rejecting it in favour of the TEPS - a test that is even worse than the TOEIC, if that's possible. Apparently, the TEPS measures proficiency in the "special" English that "Koreans use" as if they are somehow different from the rest of the English speaking world. Agghhh!
The FCE is widely used in Europe as a requirement for entry level positions in business. It has not one but TWO speaking tests as well as writing, reading, and listening. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
| babtangee wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| The designers of the test are prous of the fact that even native speakers do poorly on the test. |
I don't know how a native speaker who has completed high school could possibly fail the TOEFL test. I do think that if one can not pass it they have no place in a university in an English speaking country. It's a good way to prevent the unskilled from the financial waste and embarrassment of being exposed in class/their essay writing. |
Are you a Caucasian? |
I think I need to see your TOEFL results before I bother to answer your questions. |
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