Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Yu_Bum_suk]

I wonder how much the cattiness and inability to help each other out is a factor. I notice this amongst Koreans even more so than with westerners. Young male teachers get a lot of mentoring and support from older males, whereas young female teachers get very little from any. I can only imagine what it would be like for a salarywoman in Korea.

[Control Z]

[Big_Bird]

[postfundie]

[newton kabiddles]

it's just demand. if a woman needs open heart surgery and she has a choice, she'll usually choose the man.

[postfundie]

anyway not to spoil BB's and Vicisssssssitude's 'western women languish in torture pity party' but this article just came out on yahoo today.....


(by the way I do wish that women earned as much as men...but more effort placed on better negotiating skills is much better than telling us we should sing praises of thanks to 'feminists'...generalizing is ok here I guess even though it means throwing in people like Andrea Dworkin)




Report: Muslim women face worse struggles By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press Writer
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GENEVA - Women in predominantly Muslim countries are struggling to compete for jobs, win equal pay and hold political office, falling behind the rest of the world in eliminating discrimination, a report said Thursday.

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Nordic nations, by contrast, received the best overall grades for gender parity in education, employment, health and politics, according to the review of 128 countries compiled by the World Economic Forum.

The United States received mixed marks.

"The purpose of the rankings is to bring out where a country stands in terms of dividing the resources that are available between women and men," said Saadia Zahidi, one of the report's three co-authors.

Sweden, which has more women than men holding high political office, topped the list, followed by fellow Nordics Norway, Finland and Iceland. New Zealand, Philippines, Germany, Denmark, Ireland, and Spain round out the top 10.

Zahidi said religious and cultural reasons are important in understanding why men have economic, political, education and health advantages over women in much of the world.

Ex-Soviet nations with a Muslim majority, such as Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan, were in the middle of the field, but nearly all countries in the Middle East place in the bottom third. Pakistan, Chad and Yemen were at the bottom.

Women living on the Arabian peninsula receive nearly as much education and health benefits as men there, Zahidi said, "but they're held back on political participation and economic empowerment."

The annual study does not take into account a country's overall level of economic development: women in Sri Lanka, South Africa, Cuba and Lesotho all fared better � relatively speaking � than women in industrialized nations such as Japan, Switzerland and the United States, which fell eight places from last year's study to 31st.

The U.S. scored lower because the percentage of female legislators, senior officials and managers fell in 2007, and the pay gap between women and men widened, the report said.

The world's most populous nations � China and India � were hurt in the study by the preference of many parents for boys, which has led to abortions and infanticide being directed primarily against girls.

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[curlygirl]

I'm not going to quote any studies, I'll just speak from personal experience. In my previous work (I was a technical writer) I was paid less than men in my company. Why? Because when I was first interviewed the boss asked me how much I would expect to be paid. I didn't want to appear greedy or risk my potential boss thinking "Huh, I won't hire her, she wants too much", so I asked for a lower amount than I wanted.

Once I realised how much less I was getting then my coworkers I read some books on negotiating pay rises and spent the next 4 years reducing that gap. I know for a fact that, percentage wise, my pay rises were higher than my male co-workers from that point on because I negotiated damn hard!

My two cents.

[Vicissitude]

[Vicissitude]

[Pluto]

What I don't understand is why you say women in Muslim lands, the Arab world in particular, are treated better than women in western countries. I remember being on a convoy in Karbala Iraq when there was a car ahead of us. Well, the woman in the vehicle who was covered from head to toe in 55C heat was slapped and beaten in front of all of us. Her crime; she looked at us because she was curious I suppose. That was Iraq. Kuwait is a little different. I know males, and not females, get about 10,000 dollars per month if they were a part of the Kuwaiti tribe. Women were at least able to drive.

If you want to demonstrate how women should be treated, you should point to the Nordic countries. That is where women have the most power vis a vis the US or the UK. There is plenty of reason to critisize the status of women in US society, but women are treated better in the US than any Arab country that I know of. Point is, I'd look at the status of women in Iceland before Saudi.

The World Economic Forum just came out with new data confirming this data. The AP reports with the headline:


Report: Muslim women face worse struggles

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071108/ap_on_re_eu/global_gender_gap;_ylt=Av2r75Nc0nl3Qqx_UKFhNcCs0NUE

[Funkdafied]

Getting paid slightly less than men doesn't equal "second class citizen", the thread title is highly disingenuous and misleading. This is also an elite problem for salaried women only, wage earners make the same regardless of sex. So it's hardly going to top the list of important things that need addressing in the world.

[Vicissitude]

[bucheon bum]

Yup, saudi women get treated really well.