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If the Vias law passes and you have to go back to your home country to get a police report, interview at embassy, the actual visa, and now we add notorize diplomas (whatever the h that means) will you do it or leave Korea ?
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Stay or leave? Reply with quote

Stay or Leave?
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow a stay. Now that, along with the new Visa laws should go on the Unbelievable thread. I figue with maybe up to 3 round trips to USA, hotel costs, etc. It could cost me up to 4 months salary. And many here have figured it could take 2-4 months to get all of this done.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The long and short term outlook for Korea is b-l-e-a-k

Increasing xenophobia. Increasingly difficult regulations. In a decade there'll only be 100 women for every 125 men here, imagine how bad the anti foreign male racism will be then?

Theres never been a better time to leave K. They've done China a favour, I'll be heading there in the year ahead. Even if you give it one more year, nobody can seriously contemplate much more than that.
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Cliffhanger



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted stay for the simple fact that I still have debts to pay. If I had a few thou saved up I wouldn't come back thought. I was going to stay a few years, but if these laws stick around, my next contract will be my last.
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isthisreally



Joined: 01 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may come back someday, but if I'm going home to do all this stuff at the end of my contract, I might as well take a long vacation.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll see how it plays out, but if I have to interview in person just to renew my visa---instead of doing it in-country like last time---I'll leave. I had to go and get my visa taken care of in person before my first contract. I had to fly to New York---or drive 10 hours, which wasn't really an option---get a hotel, pay for the visa costs (obviously), plus pay for food and internet (as I had to stay in touch with my recruiter). All in all it cost nearly $600, and there's no way in hell I'd do that again. One of the reasons Korea appeals to first-timers is the relatively low start-up costs. If we have to pay for this interview process, plus front the bill for airfare (which I've had to do for the last two times), it's going to push a lot of people to Taiwan or Japan, or other countries that people have shied away from because the start-up costs were too high. Having to front $1000 - $2000 before even arriving in-country is too much.

The article on this I saw was from the Korea Herald, and it was another example of horrible journalism. No word on if this will even pass. I can't imagine this being a good idea at all. But when did that ever stop the K-bureaucracy?

I'm genuinely curious (not trolling or bashing): Why isn't there a way to have the visa taken care of in Korea? I mean, why do we have to do visa runs? Do other countries have such regulations in place? I just don't understand why somebody arriving on a tourist visa, or somebody switching jobs, has to leave the country and visit a Korean embassy, instead of just visiting an immigration office here.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Why isn't there a way to have the visa taken care of in Korea? I mean, why do we have to do visa runs? Do other countries have such regulations in place? I just don't understand why somebody arriving on a tourist visa, or somebody switching jobs, has to leave the country and visit a Korean embassy, instead of just visiting an immigration office here.


Quite right. When I worked in China, I applied for and recieved my resident's permit in country.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't understand why somebody arriving on a tourist visa, or somebody switching jobs, has to leave the country and visit a Korean embassy, instead of just visiting an immigration office here.


When I first queried this one I was told that it was due to 'giving the Korean consulates work to do.'
Not joking.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
I just don't understand why somebody arriving on a tourist visa, or somebody switching jobs, has to leave the country and visit a Korean embassy, instead of just visiting an immigration office here.



I thought those regulations were only for E-2 visas. Not tourist visas.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope I don't have to eat these words, but aren't we all sound a bit like chicken little. Things will change and this is good. But lets wait before we say the sky is falling.


And in my 2 cents, there will always be more ESL teaching fodder for this market.
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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
The long and short term outlook for Korea is b-l-e-a-k

Increasing xenophobia. Increasingly difficult regulations. In a decade there'll only be 100 women for every 125 men here, imagine how bad the anti foreign male racism will be then?

Theres never been a better time to leave K. They've done China a favour, I'll be heading there in the year ahead. Even if you give it one more year, nobody can seriously contemplate much more than that.



Try explaining the gender imbalance to a Korean. Then when you factor in the potential old maids and such , the figures are even more astounding. A lot of women here get married , have a couple of kids and then the husband leaves her and never remarries or even has a relationship with another man.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
Julius wrote:
The long and short term outlook for Korea is b-l-e-a-k

Increasing xenophobia. Increasingly difficult regulations. In a decade there'll only be 100 women for every 125 men here, imagine how bad the anti foreign male racism will be then?

Theres never been a better time to leave K. They've done China a favour, I'll be heading there in the year ahead. Even if you give it one more year, nobody can seriously contemplate much more than that.



Try explaining the gender imbalance to a Korean. Then when you factor in the potential old maids and such , the figures are even more astounding. A lot of women here get married , have a couple of kids and then the husband leaves her and never remarries or even has a relationship with another man.


The gender imbalances already factor in "old maids" and the like. Those figures quoted are actually saying that there will be 125 males of peak marriagable age for every 100 females of peak marriagable age. (27-30 for men and 24-27 for women). The actual figures I've read say in 10 years time it will be 118 - 100...but the problem is there.

For the year 2000 (yes it is a bit old...) The overall gender ratio was 1.01/1 males for females. The reason for this ratio not showing the gender imbalance problem is that Korea has a rapidly ageing population and for the population aged 65+ the ratio is infact 0.63/1 male/female.

My figures are from wikipedia citing this source
http://kosis.nso.go.kr/eng/index.htm . While I doubt they are 100% accurate (especially due to the age of the information) they briefly explain the issue.

Back on topic. My contract expires in 9 months...By that time I think we'll have a far better idea whether these new regulations are here to stay or just a flash in the pan around election time...I'm holding my vote.
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stevie rotten



Joined: 31 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for whatever it's worth getting a degree notarized is nothing. just take your degree to your local lawyer's office and wait around a couple minutes for a check and photocopy. think it cost about $20 but that was a few years ago.

even without this new law i wouldn't stay for another year. working 50 of 52 weeks earns my lazy ass a vacation.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevie rotten wrote:
for whatever it's worth getting a degree notarized is nothing. just take your degree to your local lawyer's office and wait around a couple minutes for a check and photocopy. think it cost about $20 but that was a few years ago.

even without this new law i wouldn't stay for another year. working 50 of 52 weeks earns my lazy ass a vacation.




WOW. I am really shocked. I can buy a round trip ticket from Korea
to America, take a taxi to a hotel, spend the night, take a taxi to a lawyer's office and have my degrees notorized all for just 20$.


And, how does this lawyer know if it is real?

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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
I hope I don't have to eat these words, but aren't we all sound a bit like chicken little. Things will change and this is good. But lets wait before we say the sky is falling.


And in my 2 cents, there will always be more ESL teaching fodder for this market.



Chicken Little was my great grandmother.
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