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Bramble
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| whether or not one still believes in calling him/herself a feminist, you still have to contend with which feminist variation to call yourself. so a simple 'feminism' is no longer even an issue. |
Good point. That's more or less what I was attempting to say earlier. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Why are all the interviewees current popular music stars?
Ask the women who are making less money for the same work as men, those stuck behind glass ceilings and those being regularily abused and even mutilated by men in the name of certain laws against infractions that the men are committing freely if they still need feminism.
I didn't read the article BTW, just your quotation. |
Women kill men every day and get away with it. There are many "syndromes" or "defences" available to women, that are not available for men. I firmly believe in Canada, women have more power than men in terms of the laws. I'm speaking in terms of economic, criminal, and social power. Men are treated like second-class citizens by the courts. |
Criminal power ... sounds exhilarating. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Women kill men every day and get away with it. There are many "syndromes" or "defences" available to women, that are not available for men. I firmly believe in Canada, women have more power than men in terms of the laws. I'm speaking in terms of economic, criminal, and social power. Men are treated like second-class citizens by the courts. |
Ha. Ha. Check out the morgues and the hospital emergency wards if you want to see which gender is more likely to be on the receiving end of lethal and near-lethal violence.
When women kill men, it is usually after years of violent abuse from their partner, but when men kill their partners it is usually after years of beating the hell out of them. And men have traditionally got away with it much more lightly. The can kill with their bare hands, or a gun or a knife and say it was in the heat of the moment, and get much lighter sentences than the desperate women who could only kill their violent men while they slept.
And it's only in recent times that society, and courts, have become more sympathetic to women killing their violent spouses.
On women killing men:
http://www.utexas.edu/opa/news/2005/05/psychology23.html
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| According to the study, the key differences between the sexes is not so much in having homicidal fantasies, but rather what triggers them. Among men who entertained thoughts of murdering their mates, 54 percent were triggered by women ending their relationships. Repeated physical, sexual and psychological abuse were the most common triggers of women�s homicidal fantasies, and also the leading predictors of when women kill their mates. |
On men killing women:
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/15/6047/
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A regular reader who also works in book publicity sent me a copy of Why Do They Kill by David Adams, and it took me a long time to get through it, because it�s so sad, but it was fascinating and well worth the effort of muscling through one banal tragedy after another to learn what Adams and his research team found out about men who kill their wives or girlfriends. Adams and his team conducted in-depth interviews with 31 men who killed their wives or long-term girlfriends, and as a counterbalance, interviewed 20 women who were victims of attempted homicide by husbands or boyfriends. They also went back and read all the court transcripts, police reports and any other evidence about the murders, attempted murders, and preceding relationships in order to fill out a bigger picture of what exactly leads men to try to kill their wives.
Most of what they discovered violates cultural assumptions, but only some of it will surprise feminists. The biggest non-surprise (to feminists) is that the mythological wife-killer�a man who is generally a good husband but snaps when he discovers an infidelity�is a myth in every sense of the word. To the last one, the murders and attempted murders were the finale of a long history of increasingly violent domestic violence. In pretty much every situation, the man was attempting to control his wife or girlfriend through violence. Since it was an attempt to control, the violence escalated when the victim showed resistance, so unsurprisingly, most of the murders or attempted murders occurred after the victim left her abuser, made plans to leave him, or threatened to leave him. There were a few infidelities, but they were never the direct cause of the crime�most of the jealous killers made up the infidelity in their minds (some even accused their wives of having sex with male relatives like uncles or fathers, they were so out of their minds with paranoia) or attacked their ex-wives after the women terminated the relationship and moved on. Some of the killers were not jealous, but just killed or tried to kill because they were irate at losing their wives and the services/money they saw provided by their wives, but regardless of the nuances, across the board Adams paints a picture of men who feel that women are their property and who try to control their property through violence. Only one man seemed sincerely sorry at all that he�d objectified his wife repeatedly throughout their marriage in such a way. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Do we still need feminism?
What is the definition of feminism?
If feminism is that exclusive philosophy espoused by the old girl's club in academia, a faux-radicalism both peurile and juvenile, then we do not need it.
If feminism is an extension of the Western philosophy embodied in Christianity and transmitted into post-Christianity stating: woman is just a particular incarnation of the general species of human, and all humans are equal, then we should support it. |
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therooster
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Robert M.Nye, James J Heinemann, George L. Ekins, Marv Block, Jim Edwards, William R. Warner, James Neal Almirall, Robert Hargreaves, Seamus George, Bill Genereux, Ralph Elbers, Joe Jenks, Bob Wills, Jim Wills and Joe Wills (brothers) Berkeley Idler, Bob Aldus, Jason Nelson, Dan Samuels, Borden Gates, Jim Cott, Bill French, Porter Phillips, Tyler Anderson, J. H. van Burgen
shall I think about it some more and come up with others?
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These are names of men who think women are expected to do all the housework ?
. I assume their women don't work as much as they do or that they have some reason for having this attitude. Maybe they just see the way women running around playing up their sexuality rather than their brains , obessing about themselves etc and came to the conclusion that they just don't respect women much . Either case I don't see any problem with that attitude .
Let's be honest for a change and admit that in todays modern western world there are far more men running around trying to cater to their women's ridiculous demands than the other way around ... |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Let's be honest for a change and admit that in todays modern western world there are far more men running around trying to cater to their women's ridiculous demands than the other way around ...
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If I were to be totally honest I'd have to say that is not what I see in the world around me, at all. |
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therooster
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If I were to be totally honest I'd have to say that is not what I see in the world around me, at all.
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What do you see then ? Have you ever had a relationship with a woman ? Who do you think these days society expects to "compromise" more for the other ? If you say "Women" then you're simply not very honest , bright and observant . |
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Funkdafied
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| I'd say it's about even now, not on the job, but in relationships. You sound like a very bitter person who has been highly dissapointed by women in your life, probably several times. Frankly, I can see why. |
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therooster
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To lighten things up...some maddoz articles....cause maddox knows best....
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=26_things
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=feminazi
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=lyingbitch
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When women kill men, it is usually after years of violent abuse from their partner, but when men kill their partners it is usually after years of beating the hell out of them. And men have traditionally got away with it much more lightly. The can kill with their bare hands, or a gun or a knife and say it was in the heat of the moment, and get much lighter sentences than the desperate women who could only kill their violent men while they slept.
And it's only in recent times that society, and courts, have become more sympathetic to women killing their violent spouses.
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Thank god for feminism ...if not for feminism us twisted men would be daily living out their fantasies of murdering women in sick and creative ways ....
* rolls eyes
I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what you are trying to imply ? It might be that you are saying that men kill more than women....which is certainly true....the reasons of course are that men are brought up in a much TOUGHER and less caring environment than women (hardly an equal one) combined with their increased testosterone and strength .
But men can't play the victim card....I haven't seen the "sad life story" glorifying muder and asking me to empathise with a serial killer about a man ....I have however seen "Monster" ......just another dramatic example of how women don't want to take responsibility for their own actions .......
So what have we learnt kids ?
Man killing : Fault ? Men .
Women killing : Fault ? Men .
It's almost as if a pattern is emerging...I just can't put my finger on it though....
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therooster
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I'd say it's about even now, not on the job, but in relationships. You sound like a very bitter person who has been highly dissapointed by women in your life, probably several times. Frankly, I can see why.
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Nah . Seeing as you seem interested , I've been very lucky with women . I think you find what bothers me is "victim" culture . The petty power play in society where every group vies for the metaphorical scraps by playing up how bad they have it , rather than being interested in what they can do to help each other . At it's heart lies callousness towards the experiences of others and narcicistic selfishness .
Whatever the case is , I assure you I hate men as much , if not more than women ...if it was men constantly moaning and whinging about "poor me ....think about me....help me....give me....do more for me....look at me....it's all about me! me ! me ! "blah blah blah.....I'd be up here telling them to shut up too.
With that out the side , let's refrain from making it personal ok ? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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When women kill men, it is usually after years of violent abuse from their partner, but when men kill their partners it is usually after years of beating the hell out of them. And men have traditionally got away with it much more lightly. The can kill with their bare hands, or a gun or a knife and say it was in the heat of the moment, and get much lighter sentences than the desperate women who could only kill their violent men while they slept.
And it's only in recent times that society, and courts, have become more sympathetic to women killing their violent spouses.
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Thank god for feminism ...if not for feminism us twisted men would be daily living out their fantasies of murdering women in sick and creative ways ....
* rolls eyes
I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what you are trying to imply ? |
My point, troll, was in response to a man who was, as you love to put it, playing the victim card. He was whining about how women are running about the shop killing men all willy nilly, every bleedin' day of the week, and then blaming it on PMS or what have you and getting away with it without an 'as you please.'. I was pointing out the cold reality that far more men murder women than women murder men, and when women do murder, it is usually after years of terrible abuse. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Nah . Seeing as you seem interested , I've been very lucky with women . |
Lucky with those ladyboys in those Bangkok bars you frequent.  |
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therooster
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| My point, troll, was in response to a man who was, as you love to put it, playing the victim card. He was whining about how women are running about the shop killing men all willy nilly, every bleedin' day of the week, and then blaming it on PMS or what have you and getting away with it without an 'as you please.'. I was pointing out the cold reality that far more men murder women than women murder men, and when women do murder, it is usually after years of terrible abuse. |
And my point was that you just gave an example of the double standards your trying to impose .
Are you suggesting only women are worth empathising with and trying to understand ?
When men kill they have no reasons ? Don't men have feeling , emotional contexts like women ? Why then ?
If you are going to try and understand every flawed behaviour of women , you need do the same for men . This is called "equality ." Something you claim to be interested in , but show a poor understanding of . |
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therooster
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| Lucky with those ladyboys in those Bangkok bars you frequent. |
Not my definition of "lucky" really ....but don't let me impose my preferences on you ....go ahead and enjoy . |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| My point, troll, was in response to a man who was, as you love to put it, playing the victim card. He was whining about how women are running about the shop killing men all willy nilly, every bleedin' day of the week, and then blaming it on PMS or what have you and getting away with it without an 'as you please.'. I was pointing out the cold reality that far more men murder women than women murder men, and when women do murder, it is usually after years of terrible abuse. |
And my point was that you just gave an example of the double standards your trying to impose .
Are you suggesting only women are worth empathising with and trying to understand ?
When men kill they have no reasons ? Don't men have feeling , emotional contexts like women ? Why then ?
If you are going to try and understand every flawed behaviour of women , you need do the same for men . This is called "equality ." Something you claim to be interested in , but show a poor understanding of . |
Your argument is that of a confused and retarded wombat. My original point was aimed at some silly bugger bleating on about the unfairness of women running about murdering willynilly and getting away with it. I pointed out that the reality of spousal murder. I have plenty of empathy for innocent men who are murdered by some selfish arsehole. And I certainly have empathy for good men who are murdered by the occasion crazy or evil biatch.
However when given this choice:
a) A man who finally murders his wife after years of cruelly abusing her.
b) A woman who murders her husband after years of suffering cruel physical
most normal people would find it much easier to sympathise with the murderer of example b). |
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