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[cubanlord]

Open your mind....

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=5547481422995115331&hl=en

[DRAMA OVERKILL]

Saw this not long ago. Top notch documentary. Wonderfully done.

[loose_ends]

plenty of debates going on in the current events forum.

9/11
JFK
Secrecy and Democracy
Etc.

[runlikegump]

Man, I had eleventh grade Media Studies students putting together better stuff than that. Not denying the guy did some homework, but Kurosawa he ain't. If you want a good documentary from last year, gotta go with The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters. If it's conspiracy theories in particular you like, watch some Penn and Teller Bullsh*t.

[the eye]

Anyone else seen this recently?
The beginning is a blatant plagiarism of 'the god who wasn't there'.

And the ending has some weak premise that 'love is the answer' to end our enslavement by the world financial elite.
The connections are there, though. The whole secret society thing has been something i truly believe exists, and I also believe it has been the agent to most of what the film asserts.

Just curious what others think.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[happeningthang]

[Chicoloco]

Some interesting ideas but overall it was a shoddy piece of work.

[the eye]

Yeah, it's a shame it was presented in such a way, but the content is interesting. I'm surprised it hasn't got more people talking.

[Captain Corea]

[Rteacher]

I think that there are some interesting truths, distorted half-truths, and outright misrepresentations.

To make the case that Christianity - and all religions - were based on the astrology of primitives, they conveniently moved up the date of Krishna's appearance by about 2000 years (probably stemming from deliberate efforts to discredit Vedic culture by Christians, Jews, and academics during British colonization of India ...)

The truth is that religion originated in India, and Vedic culture spread all over the world and was copied with modifications.

The Jyotish astrology dates back to the Rg Veda and influenced all other systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotisha

Vedic and Western astrology share a common heritage, as evidenced in part by the similarity of the zodiac signs in each [see illustrations below]. But they now differ in several ways. The Vedic system is more complicated, with many different types of charts and calculations to consider. A complete Vedic astrology printout may have ten or twenty pages just for the data alone.

Early Christianity soon rejected astrology, which was integral to the pagan religions the Christians were struggling against. Astrology was condemned in the 4th century ce by no less a person than Saint Augustine as totally antithetical to the Christian faith. Western astrology, its venerable tradition broken, later received some impetus from Islamic astrologers. But in the necessary compromises with these often hostile theologies, the karmic basis of astrology was lost. In the twentieth century Western astrology reoriented itself in a psychological and humanistic direction. This history makes Western and Vedic astrology profoundly different, far beyond variations in calculations.
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1995/11/1995-11-09.shtml

Christian missionaries who heard the story of Krishna's appearance noted its similarities to the birth of Jesus and set out to "prove" that Jesus came first:

... In this way, practically speaking, what we find in the Bible regarding Jesus� birth is a description of the appearance of Lord Krishna, but only the names have been changed. Of course, there are different theories about how this happened. One theory is that when the Christians went to India, they found out that this story was there in the Bhagavat-Purana; so, they immediately had to change the date of when the Bhagavat-Purana was supposed to have been written. So now the historians generally say that it was written about 1400 years ago. Otherwise, how could they explain the story of Krishna�s birth being so similar to the story of Christ�s birth? They thought that the Vedic pundits must have heard about the story of Jesus and adapted the story to their own incarnation, as if the Vedic scholars would demean themselves by putting a story into their scripture that was heard from people who were considered low-born foreigners. Actually, what happened was just the opposite.

Since both the Bhagavad-gita and the Srimad-Bhagavatam contain many similar sentiments and descriptions to Christianity, numerous Christian scholars have tried to prove that the stories therein had been borrowed from the Bible. However, this has been proved to be quite the reverse. This is has been accepted by Reverend J. B. S. Carwithen, known as one of the �Brampton Lecturers,� who says, as quoted in Reverend J. P. Lundy�s Monumental Christianity (pp. 151-2), �Both the name Crishna and the general outline of his story are long anterior to the birth of our Savior [Jesus Christ]; and this we know, not on the presumed antiquity of the Hindoo records alone. Both Arrian and Strabo assert that the God Crishna was anciently worshiped at Mathura, on the river Jumna, where he is worshiped at this day. But the emblems and attributes essential to this deity are also transplanted into the mythology of the West.�

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christianity_and_the_vedic_teachings_within_it.htm

Aside from that, the conspiracy stuff in the film is based largely on speculation, and the assertion that "Income Tax" is illegal is obviously not true...

Law is not some kind of abstraction that floats in the air, free from any connection to people or events. �The law� is what legislatures, courts, and governments do, and the real test of what the law �is� shows in how the law is applied in actual cases.

So when lawyers talk about what �the law� is, they are talking about how a judge will rule. Not how the judge should rule, or might rule, but will rule. As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once explained, �the only definition of law for a lawyer�s purposes is something which the Court will enforce.� Letter to Sir Frederick Pollock, 7/3/1874. Or, more famously: �The prophecies of what the courts will do in fact and nothing more pretentious are what I mean by the law.� The Paths of the Law (1897).

[ . . . ]when the courts, the legislatures, and the voters all agree on what the law is, then that is what the law is. The fact that some people believe that the law should be different that what courts have said it is doesn�t mean that the law is different from what the courts have said, but only that they should argue their positions within the political system and attempt to change the results.

In the case of the income tax, there is no conflict. The judicial, executive, and legislative branches of our government, and a majority of the voters, have all agreed for more than 90 years that (1) an income tax is constitutional, (2) it applies to wages, and (3) every citizen and resident of every state is required to file a tax return and pay the tax...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_arguments

[Ya-ta Boy]

The presentation was far better than the content.

[the eye]