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Democracy flourishes when secrets are kept?
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
igotthisguitar wrote:
Globalists could care less, just so long as their Luciferian world agenda is pursued, propagated & implemented.


Luciferians now? I thought it was space aliens. I don't suppose you have evidence to back that claim up? Thought not.


Of course there is no evidence! The gov't keeps it from us!

You see, the gov't has lots of secrets, but we don't know what they are, because the gov't is keeping their secrets secret. More reason to suspect the gov't!


We are the government Wink

btw - MM2 where did i type out in text that i believed in Luciferian Space Aliens?

Is that how it goes? really? Shocked

Hmmmm ... interesting, had no idea.

You've got me interested though. Please do tell!
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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John F Kennedy on 27 April 1961 warning of secret societies


Urmmm, the 'secret society' he was referring to was the Communist Party.

In the same speech he said, "The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. And we are as a people inherently opposed to secret societies, secret oaths, and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment, of pertinent facts, far outweigh the dangers which are cited to justify it.

Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it."

JFK is clearly referring to secret societies, comparing our own to a Communist one, as a path down which he did not want to lead us. (At least that is what he was saying, some of his actions as president notwithstanding.)
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good speech. Too bad Bush couldn't make a similar one.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
It's a good speech. Too bad Bush couldn't make a similar one.
Rolling Eyes

NEWSFLASH !!!

Bush is Skull & Bones Twisted Evil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_%26_Bones

A member of the very thing Kennedy was shining a light on, reminding the American populace they forever needed to be vigilant & aware, less the nation fall into the depths & dark depair of elite corruption & tyranny.

No member of a diabolical cult organization would ever want to knowingly incriminate themselves.

Not even Governor Bush Idea
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twg



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Democracy flourishes when secrets are kept? Reply with quote

loose_ends wrote:
What are the thoughts of the intellectual elite of Dave's?

Quiet chuckling and a wish the internet wasn't so easily accessed.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Democracy flourishes when secrets are kept? Reply with quote

twg wrote:
loose_ends wrote:
What are the thoughts of the intellectual elite of Dave's?

Quiet chuckling and a wish the internet wasn't so easily accessed.


care to expand on that?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bush is Skull & Bones


I think I have discovered how you connect the dots:

a) Jane went to the early show yesterday.

b) The house next door is painted white.

These sentences are connected because they both include the word 'the'. Idea

I'm still working on the secret code that tells me where to look next. Any hint would be welcome. Does the 'the' in 'a' tell me to look on the 4th page and the 'the' in 'b' tell me to look in the first sentence?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost-in-space, talking to Twiggy, wrote:
care to expand on that?


He will not. He only speaks in short blurbs intended to haughitly condescend and sneer. Then he runs away.

_____________________________________________________________

But is it not obvious, Ya-ta Boy? Jane is doing the guy in "the white house." That is, Jane is doing the President. "The show" is just her alibi.

That one was easy. Get into the spirit of conspiracy theories and allegations. Prove it is false, you Jane apologist.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The President & The Press:
Address Before The American Newspaper Publishers Association

President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.

Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control.

And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Idea

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

MORE ...

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/
Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Lost-in-space, talking to Twiggy, wrote:
care to expand on that?




But is it not obvious, Ya-ta Boy? Jane is doing the guy in "the white house." That is, Jane is doing the President. "The show" is just her alibi.

That one was easy. Get into the spirit of conspiracy theories and allegations. Prove it is false, you Jane apologist.


and three fingers back at you.

refering to this



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Finally, conspiracy theorists never, not ever, offer any solid, direct evidence to support their wild allegations. They offer mere plausibility. No more no less. Their discourse is garbage; their motives transparent


Could you be so kind to define what direct evidence is?

Hows this definition?

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Direct evidence is testimony or other proof which expressly or straight-forwardly proves the existence of a fact. It is different from circumstantial evidence, which is evidence that, without going directly to prove the existence of a fact, gives rise to a logical inference that such fact does exist.

Direct evidence is evidence which, if believed, proves the existence of the fact in issue without inference or presumption. It is evidence which comes from one who speaks directly of his or her own knowledge on the main or ultimate fact to be proved, or who saw or heard the factual matters which are the subject of the testimony. It is not necessary that this direct knowledge be gained through the senses of sight and hearing alone, but it may be obtained from any of the senses through which outside knowledge is acquired, including the senses of touch or pain.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_evidence
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, there is something about all this that I don't understand.
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Funkdafied



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFK = reasonable doubt, reasonable questions

9/11 = sociopathic nutjobs
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funkdafied wrote:
JFK = reasonable doubt, reasonable questions

9/11 = sociopathic nutjobs


funkdafied=uneducated (JFK and 9/11 specific)
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funkdafied wrote:
JFK = reasonable doubt, reasonable questions

9/11 = sociopathic nutjobs


funkdafied=uneducated (JFK and 9/11 specific)
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