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King Baeksu
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twg
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| Most ESL teachers are transients and the lifers aren't numerous enough to make a difference. It'll always be a pipe dream. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| At least Japan has a union, unlike Korea. And a powerful one at that. If teachers don't want to join, why is it my problem? |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| At least Japan has a union, unlike Korea. And a powerful one at that. If teachers don't want to join, why is it my problem? |
As far as I know, it's illegal for foreigners in Korea to start a union.
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| Most ESL teachers are transients and the lifers aren't numerous enough to make a difference. It'll always be a pipe dream. |
How many members do you need to start a union? In Korea, there must be at least a hundred or two lifers (or more importantly, people who would consider becoming a lifer if they knew that they had a union that could fight for their rights). |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| At least Japan has a union, unlike Korea. And a powerful one at that. If teachers don't want to join, why is it my problem? |
As far as I know, it's illegal for foreigners in Korea to start a union.
| twg wrote: |
| Most ESL teachers are transients and the lifers aren't numerous enough to make a difference. It'll always be a pipe dream. |
How many members do you need to start a union? In Korea, there must be at least a hundred or two lifers (or more importantly, people who would consider becoming a lifer if they knew that they had a union that could fight for their rights). |
This is true. |
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Optimus Prime
Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
In Korea, there must be at least a hundred or two lifers . |
I'll bet there's more like 2,000-4,000. Many you don't really see, as many have moved to provincial Korea with their wives and aren't doing much of the party scene any more. They aren't a part of the E2 stats any more as they've either got F's or have taken Korean citizenship and have out and out Korean passports. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| At least Japan has a union, unlike Korea. And a powerful one at that. If teachers don't want to join, why is it my problem? |
As far as I know, it's illegal for foreigners in Korea to start a union. |
Yes, the Korean gov't and the HAs would never let us unionize. I was referring to the teachers in Japan who don't wish to join the union that exists there. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| At least Japan has a union, unlike Korea. And a powerful one at that. If teachers don't want to join, why is it my problem? |
As far as I know, it's illegal for foreigners in Korea to start a union.
| twg wrote: |
| Most ESL teachers are transients and the lifers aren't numerous enough to make a difference. It'll always be a pipe dream. |
How many members do you need to start a union? In Korea, there must be at least a hundred or two lifers (or more importantly, people who would consider becoming a lifer if they knew that they had a union that could fight for their rights). |
not true...a Berlitz location in Seoul is unionized. I remember reading the congratulatory note from the KTU after they acheived it. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm. Looks like you might be right.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=54382&highlight=Berlitz
On the other hand ...
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=88061&highlight=KTU
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| "Foreigners `sojourning` in the Republic of Korea are forbidden to engage in political activities," [Jason] Thomas told The Korea Herald. "Two rather large men from the Ministry of Immigration were kind enough to point this out to me when my joining the union gained attention." |
Also, there's nothing about the congratulatory note from the KTU. Not surprising, since I think the KTU despises foreign English teachers.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=58380&highlight=KTU
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| In a statement, the KTEWU said, �...because the English camp sexual assaults are a structural problem brought on by unchecked native speakers, such incidents could potentially occur at any time".As basis for their claims, the union cited a) the fact that any native speaker with a degree could become an instructor, regardless of their teaching qualifications; b) native speakers� relatively free attitudes about sex (and their expression of said attitudes); c) native speakers� lack of a sense of responsibility... |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| [size=12]In a statement, the KTEWU said, �...because the English camp sexual assaults are a structural problem brought on by unchecked native speakers, such incidents could potentially occur at any time". |
Only one problem. It wasn't native speakers sexually assaulting the students. Koreans living abroad for a couple years are not Korean-American, but were irresponsibly reported as such.
(If I've misread the initial reports, please someone point me to them again) |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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That's right. But the KTU didn't let those inconvenient facts get in the way of their foreigner-bashing.
Their "logic" went like this: Just by being near foreigners, the corruption seeped into them via osmosis. |
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