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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: Whats a forum for if we can't use it? |
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In response to Timvas thread about finding homes for dogs....
A reply was made, an OPINION that the method (looking for homes for strays in the Buy, Sell Exchange forum) is SPAM but then locked. That doesn't seem democratic to me.
In fact, people are actually LOOKING for pets and this forum is the perfect place to find them. So whats wrong with advertising strays/homeless animals here, its the most logical answer when there is a demand and supply situation. Especially given that its a good cause.
I know plenty of foreigners here that actually love their pets and plan to take them home when they leave Korea...why are we assuming they will all be abandoned again?
Why can someone advertise a used Ipod, or a pile of DVDs and not a living, breathing sentient being that needs love!!?? 
I find it ridiculous that this is even an issue. People clearly have too much time on their hands for complaining.
Move along now people...  |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Democratic? I hate to take the mods side but when is a private run forum a democracy? Dave can do whatever the hell he wants to. Next thing you'll want to vote to see if stuff gets closed. lol
Oblivious |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
Democratic? I hate to take the mods side but when is a private run forum a democracy? Dave can do whatever the hell he wants to. Next thing you'll want to vote to see if stuff gets closed. lol
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I'll give you oblivious 
Whatever, it was a euphemism for MY opinion that we should all be able to at least HAVE an opinion.
Anyway, thats the least relevant issue here. The crux is: dogs need homes, people want dogs. Lets use the forum to solve these 2 problems. Easy, no? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| This thread has been reported to the mods. Lockdown in 3...2.... |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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1- The issue was not about the topic but about the fact that the user was spamming the boards with the same topic. Another moderator explained that clearly to the user and in the locked thread itself.
2- This board allows opinions but also has rules which you agreed too when you registred.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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So there is a sticky thread at the top of the B/S/T forum SPECIFICALLY for pet adoptions.
Pet Adoption in Korea
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=76021
In spite of this Timvas needed to post more than 30 individual threads for each of his 30 pet adoptions in the same forum.
That makes it nothing more than SPAM. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
Democratic? I hate to take the mods side but when is a private run forum a democracy? Dave can do whatever the hell he wants to. Next thing you'll want to vote to see if stuff gets closed. lol
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Yeah, he can do whatever he wants, but you have to admit that decision was nonsensical. I think the mods just lashed out at Tim because his thread prompted criticism of their decisions, and they don't seem to like criticism. Way to go, taking it out on poor innocent dogs.
If the mods had a problem with Tim's method of advertising, they could have dealt with the issue via PM instead of appearing to defend the indefensible PMs some abusive poster had sent.
Besides, why is it necessary for animal adoption posts to go on the "buy/sell/trade" forum at all? Some expat Web sites actually have entire boards dedicated to animal adoption, and that approach seems a lot more enlightened in this day and age.
Someone also raised a concern about the ads being written in English and not Korean ... but there are links on the Lonely Lifetime site to several Korean animal protection Web sites, which have adoption listings in Korean. It's not as if saving animals is an exclusively foreign project ... and personally, I appreciate the chance to read this information in English and learn about ways we as foreigners can help the community. (Not that I've done much, but I still hope to get involved in some small way.)
I think people are right to ask questions in this case. Only a bunch of lobotomized zombies would shrug and say, "Oh, OK." |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
Democratic? I hate to take the mods side but when is a private run forum a democracy? Dave can do whatever the hell he wants to. Next thing you'll want to vote to see if stuff gets closed. lol
Oblivious |
Yeah, he can do whatever he wants, but you have to admit that decision was nonsensical. I think the mods just lashed out at Tim because his thread prompted criticism of their decisions, and they don't seem to like criticism. Way to go, taking it out on poor innocent dogs.
If the mods had a problem with Tim's method of advertising, they could have dealt with the issue via PM instead of appearing to defend the indefensible PMs some abusive poster had sent.
Besides, why is it necessary for animal adoption posts to go on the "buy/sell/trade" forum at all? Some expat Web sites actually have entire boards dedicated to animal adoption, and that approach seems a lot more enlightened in this day and age.
Someone also raised a concern about the ads being written in English and not Korean ... but there are links on the Lonely Lifetime site to several Korean animal protection Web sites, which have adoption listings in Korean. It's not as if saving animals is an exclusively foreign project ... and personally, I appreciate the chance to read this information in English and learn about ways we as foreigners can help the community. (Not that I've done much, but I still hope to get involved in some small way.)
I think people are right to ask questions in this case. Only a bunch of lobotomized zombies would shrug and say, "Oh, OK." |
well said. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| but you have to admit that decision was nonsensical. |
No, not really. Not when a Sticky already exists for the purpose of pet adoptions. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| but you have to admit that decision was nonsensical. |
But that would be lying. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I think people are right to ask questions in this case. Only a bunch of lobotomized zombies would shrug and say, "Oh, OK." |
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What the heck is a lobotomized zombie? A zombie that ate its own brain? Anyway, the mods' explanation makes sense. Saying, "Oh, OK," is not necessarily zombiesque. It could just mean that people agree with the mods. It is possible to agree with them and not be a zombie, you know. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| but you have to admit that decision was nonsensical. |
No, not really. Not when a Sticky already exists for the purpose of pet adoptions. |
Maybe Timvas felt separate ads would be more visible and didn't know they'd offend people. Why would a mod accuse him of "spamming" in public, instead of politely asking him via PM to post in the sticky instead? Why would a mod defend such offensive PMs, regardless of what concerns he had with the OP�s adoption ads?
And what is the big f****** deal over this so-called �spam� anyway? People post ads for TV sets, old furniture and all kinds of other "things," and they don't get attacked like that. I am honestly shocked at the mods' behaviour. |
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TheDude
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| CabbageTownRoyals wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
I think people are right to ask questions in this case. Only a bunch of lobotomized zombies would shrug and say, "Oh, OK." |
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well said. |
What the heck is a lobotomized zombie? A zombie that ate its own brain? Anyway, the mods' explanation makes sense. Saying, "Oh, OK," is not necessarily zombiesque. It could just mean that people agree with the mods. It is possible to agree with them and not be a zombie, you know. |
Sure you can. In that case, maybe you can explain the logic behind that rude post from Valkyrian2, followed by an immediate lock? I don't see how it was in any way called for. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I've seen it, and I thought it was a good idea when it first appeared. But I wasn't aware of any rule mandating that all pet ads be confined to the sticky. This is the first I've heard of it ever being enforced. |
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