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some waygug-in
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: That Old Blackwater...Keep on turnin' |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21163806/site/newsweek
Blackwater Is Soaked
An arrogant attitude only adds fuel to the criticism.
By Rod Nordland and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Oct. 15, 2007 issue - The colonel was furious. "Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers." He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad's Green Zone. The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company. Asked to address this and other allegations in this story, Blackwater spokesperson Anne Tyrrell said, "This type of gossip has led to many soap operas in the press."
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's gonna take away their License To Kill? |
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keane
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Long overdue. It is about time. Now if only Americans had the "constitution" to hold their own accountable via legal and electoral means. History will record BushCheney as having been war criminals. This I guarantee you.
U.N. Pushes For War Crimes Probe Of U.S. Contractors In Iraq
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The United Nations wants probes to determine whether private security contractors in Iraq have committed war crimes and for governments to ensure that the rule of law is applied, U.N. officials said on Thursday.
Ivana Vuco, the U.N.�s senior human rights officer in Iraq, told a news conference that private security contractors were still subject to international humanitarian law and that meant there were specific consequences for any breach.
�Investigations as to whether or not crimes against humanity, war crimes, are being committed and obviously the consequences of that is something that we will be paying attention to and advocating for,� she told a news conference...."
The U.N. urged governments to make sure private security contractors were accountable for any unjustified killings.
Many Iraqis see security companies as little more than private armies which act with impunity. Iraqi authorities have accused Blackwater of "deliberately killing" the 17 Iraqis in last month's shooting, but the security firm says its guards responded lawfully to a threat against a convoy it was guarding.
A wounded survivor and relatives of three Iraqis killed in the Blackwater incident sued the firm in U.S. court on Thursday.
The Center for Constitutional Rights, a legal advocacy group, said it filed the suit charging that Blackwater and its affiliates violated U.S. law in committing "extrajudicial killings and war crimes." |
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cbclark4

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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
Long overdue. It is about time. Now if only Americans had the "constitution" to hold their own accountable via legal and electoral means. History will record BushCheney as having been war criminals. This I guarantee you.
U.N. Pushes For War Crimes Probe Of U.S. Contractors In Iraq
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The United Nations wants probes to determine whether private security contractors in Iraq have committed war crimes and for governments to ensure that the rule of law is applied, U.N. officials said on Thursday.
Ivana Vuco, the U.N.�s senior human rights officer in Iraq, told a news conference that private security contractors were still subject to international humanitarian law and that meant there were specific consequences for any breach.
�Investigations as to whether or not crimes against humanity, war crimes, are being committed and obviously the consequences of that is something that we will be paying attention to and advocating for,� she told a news conference...."
The U.N. urged governments to make sure private security contractors were accountable for any unjustified killings.
Many Iraqis see security companies as little more than private armies which act with impunity. Iraqi authorities have accused Blackwater of "deliberately killing" the 17 Iraqis in last month's shooting, but the security firm says its guards responded lawfully to a threat against a convoy it was guarding.
A wounded survivor and relatives of three Iraqis killed in the Blackwater incident sued the firm in U.S. court on Thursday.
The Center for Constitutional Rights, a legal advocacy group, said it filed the suit charging that Blackwater and its affiliates violated U.S. law in committing "extrajudicial killings and war crimes." |
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Extra-judicial indeed. Those Blackwater thugs have ZERO ACCOUNTABILTY! murder, rape, loot & pillage, wtf?
If their actions do NOT constitute war crimes, i'd hate to see what really does  |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, I'm not really keeping up with this story. BUT I will say this:
Last year, I knew one of the men involved. I don't want to give too many details because he is a third party to a major sponsor of this website. I wish I was kidding, but I'm not. He owns a teacher training school in Asia. That's how we met. This man confessed to me how he killed innocent people in Iraq. He's been over there as a civilian check point guard since this war began. They pay him 10K US Dollars a month. His wife helps run the school. The man was a former police officer. He told me that he feels really bad about killing unarmed people and he made a big mistake that he will regret for the rest of his life. He seems to have really lost his head over the whole thing. At one point when I got angry at him for being such a jerk, he threatened me and told me to stand back. It seemed like he was getting some sort of weird flashback and his reaction was way overblown, very inappropriate. This man consistently went on and on about how he was convinced that he would die over in Iraq because, "people are shooting at me every day," he said. I really think he needed to see a shrink. He was evicted from his apartment as well as a hotel for getting into hotheaded fights with the owners. Anyway, I really hate that man and I certainly hope he gets his just deserts. I really do!
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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According to the law of KARMA he will suffer greatly for his deadly misdeeds
Immunity Deal Hampers Blackwater Inquiry
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The State Department promised Blackwater USA bodyguards immunity from prosecution in its investigation of last month's deadly shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians, The Associated Press has learned.
The immunity deal has delayed a criminal inquiry into the Sept. 16 killings and could undermine any effort to prosecute security contractors for their role in the incident that has infuriated the Iraqi government.
"Once you give immunity, you can't take it away," said a senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.
State Department officials declined to confirm or deny that immunity had been granted. One official � who refused to be quoted by name_ said: "If, in fact, such a decision was made, it was done without any input or authorization from any senior State Department official in Washington."
Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd and FBI spokesman Rich Kolko declined comment.
FBI agents were returning to Washington late Monday from Baghdad, where they have been trying to collect evidence in the Sept. 16 embassy convoy shooting without using statements from Blackwater employees who were given immunity.
Three senior law enforcement officials said all the Blackwater bodyguards involved � both in the vehicle convoy and in at least two helicopters above � were given the legal protection as investigators from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security sought to find out what happened.
The bureau is an arm of the State Department.
The law enforcement and State Department officials agreed to speak only if they could remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the inquiry into the incident.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/blackwater_prosecutions
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bacasper

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Is everyone OK? It's taking a really long time for those guys to come here and post, "You guys really hate America." |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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FBI Finds Blackwater Iraq Shootings Unjustified: Report
Tue Nov 13, 11:40 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI agents investigating the September 16 massacre in which Blackwater security guards shot and killed 17 Iraqi civilians have found that at least 14 of the shootings were unjustified,
The New York Times reported on Tuesday.
MORE...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_blackwater_probe_dc
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thepeel
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: That Old Blackwater...Keep on turnin' |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers."The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company. |
Wow. That is incredible. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Above the law  |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know much about this Eric Prince guy because he seems to want to stay out of the limelight. However, it seems to me that he is more of an ideologue than a businessman. I read a report that as in intern in the Bush I presidency he became furious when they hired homosexuals. He actually quit his post due to it. His notable charity contributions include James Dobson�s Focus on the Family, an organization more concerned with ideology than actual charity. Point is, it seems to me that he has got this fundamentalist strict view of Christianity. I've heard a lot of people in that corner, even preachers, that preach against people for being homosexual or even Muslim. It wouldn't surprise me if he thought he was doing God's work by spreading the word through Blackwater. Like I said he cares more about ideology than turning profit. Sad really. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| This man consistently went on and on about how he was convinced that he would die over in Iraq because, "people are shooting at me every day," he said. |
Pity it never came true, I guess. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| This man consistently went on and on about how he was convinced that he would die over in Iraq because, "people are shooting at me every day," he said. |
Pity it never came true, I guess. |
Maybe it did. I don't know because I haven't been in touch with him or his place in over a year. But all the stuff that's described on here about how these guys behaved, I could certainly picture him doing those things. He's got a real chip on his shoulder and I think he would definately go so far as to order our military soldiers to the ground at gunpoint. His stature is nearly twice the size of an average soldier and he's got about 20 plus years of American law enforcement behind him. Some of these guys really get a kick out of abusing their power. |
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Funkdafied

Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Location: In Da House
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know much about this but it just seems absolutely wrong. Shouldn't independant militia's be illegal anyway? Why can't this absurdity be stopped? Have you lost control of your own country America??! |
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