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| Who were the First? |
| The Sex Pistols |
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31% |
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| Johny Thunders and the Heartbreakers |
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| The New York Dolls |
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| Iggy Pop and the Stooges |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Who do you think were the first punk band? |
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This is a largly subjective subject. As each person judges punk in a different way. I consider Johny Thunders and the Heartbreakers
to be the first. They have largly been forgotten although they had a big influence on Steve Jones raw guitar sound. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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depends on your definition of "punk"
it's an attitude not a style, right?
Anyways....MC5
but they're not on your list for some odd reason. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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yeah..i'd say stooges and new york dolls were influential, but not really the beginning, especially in mindset. i mean hell, why not include captain beefheart? he's pretty punk.
since all the remaining groups basically formed at around the same time and fairly independent of each other, it's hard to say who was "FIRST" - though a lot of people consider the sex pistols formation a joke. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
depends on your definition of "punk"
it's an attitude not a style, right?
Anyways....MC5
but they're not on your list for some odd reason. |
If you consider it an attitude not a style than The Sex Pistols
would be a good choice. They basically spit in the face of the monarcy,The record industry, the existing musical establishment and the press.
Watch some old videos of them on youtube and see how they dis everyone. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, why are the MC5 on the list? Even the 13th Floor Elevators could have a bit of a claim on the title. Or if you were really brave, you could venture that Bob's Highway 61 Revisited was the first punk album. |
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topas
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmmm. I vote for Iggy and the Stooges, but agree that MC5 should be an option. And I don't think that the Sex Pistols attitude was anything that special, but perhaps they deserve some kind of twisted credit for making a whole lot generation think that they started punk. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| topas wrote: |
| Hmmm. I vote for Iggy and the Stooges, but agree that MC5 should be an option. And I don't think that the Sex Pistols attitude was anything that special, but perhaps they deserve some kind of twisted credit for making a whole lot generation think that they started punk. |
The first generation American stuff really didn't go anywhere and most of it has drifted into obcurity. While Iggy's behavour might be considered punk example stage diving, self mutilation, His music wasn't that hard.
If his song " No Fun" was never covered by the Sex Pistols during their final purformance I doubt he would have ever earned the title godfather of punk.
On the other hand. The Sex Pistols inspired a whole generation of musicians and helped to rid the U.K. of Prog rock. Their album covers also inspired the DIY ethic wth the kidnappers style script.Also most second generation American punk what is comonly refered to a Hardcore has a strong British Sex Pistols influence. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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The MC5 and Iggy and the Stooges are commonly defined as garage bands. The were punk-ish, but not quite punk.
Most punk scholars would say that attitude, sound, AND style make up punk, just like hip hop. The Dolls were the first punk band for several reasons. The sound was there, and directly influenced the Pistols through McLaren and the Ramones through the New York scene. Though the sound wasn't what most people would say is "punk" it was the first step on the road. |
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topas
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
The first generation American stuff really didn't go anywhere and most of it has drifted into obcurity. While Iggy's behavour might be considered punk example stage diving, self mutilation, His music wasn't that hard.
If his song " No Fun" was never covered by the Sex Pistols during their final purformance I doubt he would have ever earned the title godfather of punk.
On the other hand. The Sex Pistols inspired a whole generation of musicians and helped to rid the U.K. of Prog rock. Their album covers also inspired the DIY ethic wth the kidnappers style script.Also most second generation American punk what is comonly refered to a Hardcore has a strong British Sex Pistols influence. |
Perhaps the title of your poll should be "Who was the most influential." A lot of early punk wasn't that hard, so i don't think that makes much of a difference. By this logic, you could similarly argue that The Clash, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, The Ramones, and Patti Smith weren't punk. And frankly, a lot of the Sex Pistols' style was a blatant ripoff musicians like Hell. Additionally, I suspect the Pistols mostly just "inspired" a bunch of glib copycats to dress, think, and act the same--thus leading to the ultimate demise of punk itself 
As an aside, I should mention that I do kind of like the Sex Pistols myself. |
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topas
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
The MC5 and Iggy and the Stooges are commonly defined as garage bands. The were punk-ish, but not quite punk.
Most punk scholars would say that attitude, sound, AND style make up punk, just like hip hop. The Dolls were the first punk band for several reasons. The sound was there, and directly influenced the Pistols through McLaren and the Ramones through the New York scene. Though the sound wasn't what most people would say is "punk" it was the first step on the road. |
It seems that your argument for the Dolls actually applies to MC5 and Iggy and the Stooges as well, so I'm not following too well. Personally, I think the Dolls were quite glam and the attitude was lacking. And if we want to start with the semantic hairsplitting, the Stooges are also commonly defined as "proto-punk"  . |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| topas wrote: |
| Hmmm. I vote for Iggy and the Stooges, but agree that MC5 should be an option. And I don't think that the Sex Pistols attitude was anything that special, but perhaps they deserve some kind of twisted credit for making a whole lot generation think that they started punk. |
The first generation American stuff really didn't go anywhere and most of it has drifted into obcurity. While Iggy's behavour might be considered punk example stage diving, self mutilation, His music wasn't that hard.
If his song " No Fun" was never covered by the Sex Pistols during their final purformance I doubt he would have ever earned the title godfather of punk.
On the other hand. The Sex Pistols inspired a whole generation of musicians and helped to rid the U.K. of Prog rock. Their album covers also inspired the DIY ethic wth the kidnappers style script.Also most second generation American punk what is comonly refered to a Hardcore has a strong British Sex Pistols influence. |
Not that hard?! Have you heard the album Raw Power? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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Well, many of the selections chosen already are pretty good...but I'd have to go with both the
SENSATIONAL ALEX HARVEY BAND and MAY BLITZ... l
Listen to the earliest SAHB stuff; and MAY BLITZ on their second album, 'The 2nd Of May... especially the tune: 'For Mad Men Only'. If that's not proto-punk, I don't know what is... |
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DRAMA OVERKILL
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| If you consider it an attitude not a style than The Sex Pistols would be a good choice. They basically spit in the face of the monarcy,The record industry, the existing musical establishment and the press. |
Agree 100%. Punk music, punk lifestyle, punk attitude, punk behavior - The Sex Pistols. I thought this was common knowledge. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
Well, many of the selections chosen already are pretty good...but I'd have to go with both the
SENSATIONAL ALEX HARVEY BAND and MAY BLITZ... l
Listen to the earliest SAHB stuff; and MAY BLITZ on their second album, 'The 2nd Of May... especially the tune: 'For Mad Men Only'. If that's not proto-punk, I don't know what is... |
Also, Captain Beefheart and Frank Zappa were pretty punk. |
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blurgalurgalurga
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| Well, I gotta say its Iggy and the Stooges, because he was the first one outside of the sideshow geek-circuit to roll around naked in broken glass and poop onstage for money. |
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