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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Who said they should be stopped?
At one time I was planning on attending, but am going to personally boycott them. But I don't think anybody on this thread made a reference to them being "stopped". In fact, I think it will be, on balance, a good thing that they are being hosted in China. The activists will have a month long platform from which to spread the world about what is really happening in China. This is a good thing.
Who cares anyhow. The OP was about the Chinese government pressuring the Canadian public broadcasting service into changing content to make it more favorable to CCP party line. As a Canadian, I find this to be a much bigger issue than the non-issue of China hosting the games. |
They should be boycotted. China should not host a proper Olympics. It doesnt deserve to host the games as it has broken pretty much every promise they made to reform their human rights, press freedoms, etc. EVERY single promise they made they have broken. Countries that care about human rights abuses in China as well as in the criminal states the Chinese actively prop up and fund should boycott these games. China should be faced with having to pay a multibillion dollar Olympics stripped of all prestige. They can still have Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan, Iran and all the other human rights violators. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Who said they should be stopped? |
Someone expressed some hope that the cartoon might cause damage to the Olympics logo. By the end of the first page, the cartoon seemed to be the focus of the discussion, not the CCP's pressure on the CBC.
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| In fact, I think it will be, on balance, a good thing that they are being hosted in China. The activists will have a month long platform from which to spread the world about what is really happening in China. This is a good thing. |
I agree with this. The more integration there is, the more Chinese voices will be heard internationally. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Someone expressed some hope that the cartoon might cause damage to the Olympics logo. By the end of the first page, the cartoon seemed to be the focus of the discussion, not the CCP's pressure on the CBC.
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Hopefuly the cartoon totally destroys the olympics logo. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I know, because you're a quote-miner. Anyway, I see you're free-falling right into OTOH's fallacy as well. Welcome.
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What was my fallacy again? I think all I've said on this thread was that I don't think simply citing the opinions of people you've talked to in a country proves anything, since you can find people on both sides of any argument among the general population. And I asked you if you think it should be left up to the leadership to decide when the time was right for democracy.
Which of these did you regard as a fallacy? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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I know, because you're a quote-miner. Anyway, I see you're free-falling right into OTOH's fallacy as well. Welcome.
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What was my fallacy again? I think all I've said on this thread was that I don't think simply citing the opinions of people you've talked to in a country proves anything, since you can find people on both sides of any argument among the general population. And I asked you if you think it should be left up to the leadership to decide when the time was right for democracy.
Which of these did you regard as a fallacy? |
The first one. Your fallacy was that citing the opinions of people in a country gives credibility. You admonished me for it, and now I'm simply saying the_peel is demonstrating the same fallacy by pointing out the cartoon was penned by a Chinese. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| But in all fairness to me, I only did that after being prodded for authentic Chinese. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| But in all fairness to me, I only did that after being prodded for authentic Chinese. |
I mentioned that. I did. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
Who said they should be stopped?
At one time I was planning on attending, but am going to personally boycott them.
But I don't think anybody on this thread made a reference to them being "stopped". |
Along with where we choose to lay our money down, people have long just mostly voted with their feet.
Supporting corruption demonstrates complicit assent.
No, few are likely holding their breath hoping that Beijing's Olympic extravaganza will be "stopped". |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
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I know, because you're a quote-miner. Anyway, I see you're free-falling right into OTOH's fallacy as well. Welcome.
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What was my fallacy again? I think all I've said on this thread was that I don't think simply citing the opinions of people you've talked to in a country proves anything, since you can find people on both sides of any argument among the general population. And I asked you if you think it should be left up to the leadership to decide when the time was right for democracy.
Which of these did you regard as a fallacy? |
The first one. Your fallacy was that citing the opinions of people in a country gives credibility. You admonished me for it, and now I'm simply saying the_peel is demonstrating the same fallacy by pointing out the cartoon was penned by a Chinese. |
Ah I see, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that I was falling for a fallacy. But if I'm reading you correctly now, you were saying that I was pointing out a fallacy. Thanks for the clarification. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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You're the one who wants to throw the baby out with the bath-water. It'd kill you to admit that, yes, raising the standard of living of a billion people is the primary priority. |
At what expense? The environment? Basic human rights? How far is too far? Anything is fair game to achieve these aims?
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| You can't have an educated populous without the economy to support that education. |
Education or propaganda? Every Chinese child from the age of 4 and older is rampantly racist towards Japan and want to wipe every Japanese man, woman, and child off the face of the Earth.
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| And you cannot have a democratic nation without and educated populous. |
India is not a stable democracy?
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| But you want to curse those of us who try to look to the future for progess! |
Future? In China in the evening, the vast majority of the TV shows and movies are about history. The remaining ones are about the present. The only TV programs about the future China has, are about the Olympics.
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| I have not stated, not once, that I think the Chinese regime should be able to oppress Chinese. I'm just saying, that if one has to choose between engagement and isolation, engagement is a whole lot better for the Chinese people. The more the Chinese are engaged by the West, the more their appetite for freedom will grow. |
What do you mean by "engaged"?
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| And if you had been to China, you might have gleaned this from conversations with actual Chinese. But dude, you're just another pontificating propagandized conspiracist *beep*. |
I have been to China. I live in China. And, I agree with him. I hold the same opinion as him. So, where do you stereotype me?
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| Show me where I've spit on any crimes of humanity, you self-righteous jackass! |
Some people would suggest that the verbal abuse you just dished out is a crime against humanity.
Name-calling. How mature. 
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| You are the exemplar of the naive Westerner. Black and white doesn't come close to your world view. You're goddamned color-blind. |
I fail to see how being against human rights violations is somehow "naive".
Why is he uneducated? And what is the point of writing in Chinese? I don't get it.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
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| Show me where I've spit on any crimes of humanity, you self-righteous jackass! |
Some people would suggest that the verbal abuse you just dished out is a crime against humanity.
Name-calling. How mature.
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Name-calling on a chatboard is about as futile as self-righteousness on a chatboard. But dude said I was spitting on organ-harvesting. Since then he (seemingly) has backed away from that position. I'm not real proud of typing that post.
BUT...
Name-calling on a chatboard is not a crime against humanity. |
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