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funkywinkerbeans
Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: RCMP taser a Polish immigrant |
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Some of you have probably heard of the Polish immigrant that was tasered and died as a result at Vancouver airport. RCMP were hoping they wouldn't have to return the video taken of the incident by a returning English teacher. He had to retain a lawyer to have the video returned.
The Immigrant, Robert Dziekanski, was horribly treated and died as a result. His Mom allowed the video to be released to the media in Canada. Unfortunately, I don't have the link, but it can be seen at Vancouver Sun, Globe and Mail and probably several other media sites.
It's a very disturbing video as it the last several minutes of the man's life. RCMP's behaviour was totally unacceptable and the man died as a result of those actions. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: |
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So, they just Tasered him for no reason whatsoever...for kicks?  I don't believe it....  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: |
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I'd love to see the video, but I have a few concerns...
Why didn't you mention in your OP the reports of him picking up a chair and trying to "smash" his way out of the waiting area?
Why didn't you mention that they warned him, but because of language barriers, he couldn't understand?
or best of all...
Why the heck is this in the Korean Discussion forum?? |
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funkywinkerbeans
Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, wrong forum.
Captain Korea, you should watch the video before reading off a RCMP press release. RCMP tried to prevent the video from been returned to the owner. After watching the video, you'll see why they tried to keep the video.
No doubt, RCMP were way too aggressive. Count how many seconds till they used the taser on an obviously upset and distraught man.
I've never thought highly of the RCMP, and this incident just confirms that thought.
Here's the link, not sure if it'll work
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20071114.wvtaser_death1114 |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| I saw the video on CNN a little earlier this evening. The guy was freaking out a little though he never attacked anyone and was basically just walking around. The cops came in and someone asked if they could tase the guy, the reply being yes, and then they just basically tased him and he died. Pretty damn screwed up! |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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The guy is from Poland, not the jungles of Borneo. Total snapperhead.
I'm sorry, but he asked for it. I'm not defending the cops, but I am also not defending his choice to create a stand-off.
He should have been shot with a tranquilizer gun. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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CBC discussion here.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/bc/2007/11/whats_your_reaction_to_this_vi.html
Not impressed with what I saw from the RCMP, security, staff.
A man should not pay for his life for throwing a chair or computer monitor.
So, no - he didn't deserve that.
Also, these RCMP members are too young and too inexperienced these days. The young Cst. that was just shot and killed in Nunavut was hired at 19!
I watched the video. It's hard to watch someone die like that. Especially when this guy was clearly not taking any agressive action towards the police. There were 4 big, strong Mounties and 1 confused middle-aged dude - why taser the guy to get him to sit down and cool his heels?
I wouldn't be surprised though if this guy had mental issues before he arrived in Canada. He behvaiour was bizarre.
It was a weird situation that was only made weirder by the police and how they dealt with it.
A dark day for Canada and Canadians. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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"Don't tase me bro' !"
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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The lesson to be learned & rembered here is that, no matter what happens, how things may appear, the police in whatever form they manifest are always our friends 
Why shiny fraternal orders are often by definition held as "infalliable", i haven't a clue.
Beat, abuse, LIE, steal or kill, accept a great state-sponsored badge & a gun, & you oddly need not fear public accountability.
Code of silence, cops on drugs, mugging a thin blue line.
The little people out here of course can hardly do more than pray, there is a higher law.
One which binds us all 
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TECO
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Poland Criticizes Canada
Poland's Ambassador:
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"The reaction of the RCMP officers was unsuitable to the situation. What I've seen was that Mr. Dziekanski (was) a person who was agitated, frustrated, I think terrified, but not aggressive. He was not making a gesture that he intended to fight anybody," Piotr Ogrodzinski told Reuters.
"He didn't know what to do. In fact, he was in search (of) help. That is why it is a really very sad and deeply moving film to watch." |
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Lao Wai
Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Location: East Coast Canada
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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CBC discussion here.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/bc/2007/11/whats_your_reaction_to_this_vi.html
Not impressed with what I saw from the RCMP, security, staff.
A man should not pay for his life for throwing a chair or computer monitor.
So, no - he didn't deserve that.
Also, these RCMP members are too young and too inexperienced these days. The young Cst. that was just shot and killed in Nunavut was hired at 19!
I watched the video. It's hard to watch someone die like that. Especially when this guy was clearly not taking any agressive action towards the police. There were 4 big, strong Mounties and 1 confused middle-aged dude - why taser the guy to get him to sit down and cool his heels?
I wouldn't be surprised though if this guy had mental issues before he arrived in Canada. He behvaiour was bizarre.
It was a weird situation that was only made weirder by the police and how they dealt with it.
A dark day for Canada and Canadians. |
I have to agree with you (about young members). My dad was in the RCMP for 30 years. He just retired last year. He says that many of the young members want to go directly from being a constable to an administrative job. They don't like patrolling and seem more concerned with their hairstyles and sunglasses choices than policing, at times.
He told me once how he went into the police station and this guy who was a prisoner/detainee had gotten out of the grip of one of the officers. He was going nuts and had 7 members trying to get him. My dad walks in and says in his booming voice 'YOU CUT THAT SHIT OUT RIGHT NOW' or something to that effect. The guy stops freaking out and my dad walks over and escorts him back to his cell. I swear my dad can stop anyone in their tracks with his voice. Especially children and animals. He can still strike a small bit of fear in my heart (ha ha ha).
Oh, you guys will enjoy this. Once, my dad was asked to go to the local high school because there was a serious bullying problem going on in a Gr. 8 class. My dad went in with the purpose of 'putting the fear of god into them'. Well, I'm sure no one had talked to these kids like that before because the RCMP got some phone calls from parents to complain. There was an investigation and everything! He had to go to this meeting with the parents of the students (the ones who complained'), the inspector, etc. They asked him to apologize. He said 'no'. However, the bullying did stop.
Anyway, to get back on topic. I think what a lot of the young members are missing sometimes is common sense. You probably don't need to taser an old man. My dad also pointed out this is another difference between young and old memebers. The young members LOVE using their tasers...saves time. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Lao Wai wrote: |
| They asked him to apologize. He said 'no'. However, the bullying did stop. |
 Sweet! Good for him. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| plato's republic wrote: |
| I saw the video on CNN a little earlier this evening. The guy was freaking out a little though he never attacked anyone and was basically just walking around. The cops came in and someone asked if they could tase the guy, the reply being yes, and then they just basically tased him and he died. Pretty damn screwed up! |
If you watch the video posted just above there seems to be a part cut out. One moment he's brandishing a folding table, the next he's at the counter with that woman. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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you can find the 10 minute version on YOU-TUBE.
i can't bear to watch it, the 2 minute version was enough.
absolutely sickening.
quite insightful into how the RCMP conduct their affairs mind you (and then try to lie & cover things up, doctor threir phony police reports etc)
NEANDERTHAL BASTARDS.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/071115/canada/canada_taser_col_5 |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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The video I saw on CNN showed him holding a chair above his head and then throw it at a woman who was trying to help.
Sorry to hear about the death - most awfully bad luck - but you've got to expect a harsh reaction from the authorities if you behave that way.
He was waiting for 10 hours after landing, correct? Yes, that'd drive us all mad, but why was he going to Canada? To improve his life? Be patient and wait.
That said, it's incredibly sad that he died as a result of the cops' intervention. Very taser-happy those North Americans, it would appear. |
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