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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:38 am Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

Atavistic wrote:

riverboy wrote:

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My bedroom in Korea is so small, I think 2 would do.

I'm pretty fat, so I'd probally do myself.

But then You have to get my permission to do it first.

*beep*. I just have to kill you first.

Watch our for Ninja Atavistic. She'll show up one of these days. She might be behind you right now.

Q: How are men like kitchen tiles?

A: If you lay them right the first time, you can walk all over them for years!!! Hahahahahahahaha

Nasty!

Q: How many orgasms does a woman have in her lifetime?
A: Who cares? Laughing

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:40 am Post subject:

My favourite: Q: What do feminists do with their ***holes? A: Pack 'em lunch and send them to work!

peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject:

I've got to start hanging out in C and E more!

riverboy

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject:

Birg Bird. You startyed my day with a smile. You aint so bad for an angfry closet lezbo!

Funkdafied

Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject:

Vicissitude wrote:

Funkdafied wrote:

Vicissitude wrote:

There are hundreds of different feminist theories. No one person can truly represent the entire feminist movement simply because many of the theories are contradictory to one another. I don't agree with at least 75% of the feminist theories out there. But more than anything, I object to traditional subservient roles to which women have been subjected to in Western and Asian cultures. And I also strongly object to the sex discrimination, harassment and objectification of women that is so prevalent in Western and Asian societies today.

I object to harrasment and discrimination too. But the concept of objectification is complete nonsense.

So you think women should be treated as objects? Is that what you are saying? That's it's okay to judge women the same as you would judge your meat at a store?

As I said, the concept of objectification is nonsense. It's a feminist idea and doesn't reflect reality at atll.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject:

Funkdafied wrote:

Vicissitude wrote:

Funkdafied wrote:

Vicissitude wrote:

I object to harrasment and discrimination too. But the concept of objectification is complete nonsense.

So you think women should be treated as objects? Is that what you are saying? That's it's okay to judge women the same as you would judge your meat at a store?

As I said, the concept of objectification is nonsense. It's a feminist idea and doesn't reflect reality at atll.

i disagree. I think women and men can be objectified. I've done it to plenty of women.

On an individual basis it may be somewhat harmless but in larger forms via media and what not, it can be unhealthy for all.

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I object to traditional subservient roles to which women have been subjected to in Western and Asian cultures

Minus the subserviant part, I think gender roles are great as long as both partners are down with it. I think there are a lot of things that women are better than men at and vice versa.

Feminism just isnt sexy. Now a sexy powerful woman is just right sexy.

peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject:

y'know what else isn't sexy? a whining man.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject:

peppermint wrote:

y'know what else isn't sexy? a whining man. Wink

sure.

Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject:

loose_ends wrote:

Minus the subserviant part, I think gender roles are great as long as both partners are down with it. I think there are a lot of things that women are better than men at and vice versa.

I think you got this backwards. Subservience is awesome and gender roles aren't.

Actually by arguing 'as long as both partners are down with it' then you are giving people a choice. Hey, it's feminism rearing it's ugly (hag) head again!

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:

Masta_Don wrote:

loose_ends wrote:

Minus the subserviant part, I think gender roles are great as long as both partners are down with it. I think there are a lot of things that women are better than men at and vice versa.

subservience is great for one.

i have a lot of friends that are subservient to their girlfriends.

it is a two way street.

Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

loose_ends wrote:

Masta_Don wrote:

loose_ends wrote:

Minus the subserviant part, I think gender roles are great as long as both partners are down with it. I think there are a lot of things that women are better than men at and vice versa.

subservience is great for one.

i have a lot of friends that are subservient to their girlfriends.

it is a two way street.

I don't understand. "Great for one" and "it's a two way street" are contradictory. If they are in a relationship where they're subservient and liking it, then good for them. You may not like it, or the effects it has on your relationship with them, but obviously they do or they wouldn't be in that situation.

Feminism is great for guys too. Before women were expected to always be subservient, but, as every relationship has a power dynamic and it's very easy to easy in the workplace/on the bus/in bed, not every man is ready to take on a domineering role. Now, instead of being chastised for being less of a man, it's okay for men to take subservient roles in relationships. I'm sure that makes at least one man out there happy.

merkurix

Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

Funkdafied wrote:

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"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

Most feminists don't care a toss what Andrea Dworkin says.

Sorry to stray from discourse, but

She really doesn't look pleasant.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject:

sorry for the lack of clarity. Let me try again.

I was responding solely to this quote:

Quote:

But more than anything, I object to traditional subservient roles to which women have been subjected to in Western and Asian cultures

Where I disagree with feminism is the out right objection to gender roles, and that would include subservient roles too.

In certain relationships, gender roles may be advantageous and as you pointed out, some may find comfort and joy in being subservient.

Other may not want strictly defined roles.

Or as you pointed out, some men might want to be subservient.

I often feel like certain feminists look down on women or men who follow traditional roles. As long as both partners are happy in their roles, i don't find anything wrong with it.

However one could argue that society teaches us to follow these roles whether we like it or not. And for the most part, I think this is true.

But if one were to be enlightened and then willfully returned to tradition, can we object to that?

One might argue that Asian women haven't been enlightened. On the flip side one might argue that such enlightenment isn't actually enlightenment at all. Perhaps it is just the preferred lifestyle of a certain class of women from a certain culture.

My main point is that, all roles are up for grabs, including those that are traditional.

Undefined equal gender roles are not always the golden key to happiness and equality.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject:

merkurix wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

Funkdafied wrote:

Quote:

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

Most feminists don't care a toss what Andrea Dworkin says.

Sorry to stray from discourse, but

She really doesn't look pleasant.

And here you remind me why we still need feminism. If it was a picture of a famous intellectual guy (taken in his middle age) who didn't look so hot, would you bother to comment? When Milton Friedman or Normal Mailer were topical on this forum, no-one thought to discuss their physical appearance. Are women only worth listening to depending on their level of sexual attractiveness? Is a woman's worth measured by her sexual appeal? Sadly, I think it still is, even now in the 21st Century.

One day, when you are an old man, and you have a daughter in her 40s or 50s, will you still think it so cool to hear people denigrating your beloved child for not looking so hot? Will you feel sad when you realise that the daughter you cherished is no longer valued by society because her sexual appeal has dimmed?

Here is a picture of her as a young woman:

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

Manner of Speaking wrote:

My favourite:

Q: What do feminists do with their ***holes?

A: Pack 'em lunch and send them to work! Laughing

haha, liked that one!

Q: What do you call a handcuffed man?

A: Trustworthy.

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