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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I am personally rather hoping that Lee's dirty business would get him indicted and therefore forced to step down from being a candidate - and let Park assume the candidacy. |
But ... but ... but that could lead to South Korea having a woman president before the United States. The student would surpass the teacher ...
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We had a female prime minister in Canada and she will probably go down as the worst PM in history, although when she took office it was already set up to flop. Also not a big fan of Thatcher but probably a lot of people are.
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I recall that incident. Those two band members got naked on live national public television. Name one country in the world where that would be shrugged off. Just because you can't take a whizz in the President's soup bowl doesn't mean you live in a police state. Anarchist rock stars don't exactly shoulder the responsibility of taking care of an entire country, so if they don't like some political candidate, that doesn't mean we shouldn't vote for them. |
If I just have to name only one, Iceland.
The two flashers were sentenced to five years in prison and released for some reason after three months. They completed the punishment that was required of them, and that should be the end of it. Three months in prison was a tough but maybe fair punishment. Letting the government decide what kids listen to and who is allowed to pick up a guitar is unfair.
I don't recall ever seeing nudity at any other time at a punk show, so if nudity's the only concern, no problem. But it won't be. There are other things that Korean authorities would consider obscene, such as swearing, tattoos, underage drinking, setting off fireworks, the occasional fight (but not as many as at mainstream clubs), loud offensive music, and strange looking people.
What about mainstream music? I stand by what I said before, that there is a lot of nudity at hip-hop and pop concerts, broadcast on TV or not, and you never hear people complaining about that. Why complain about one thing by one punk and not a million things by a million hip-hop fans? Should those clubs start getting banned as well?
What about the incident a few years ago when the guy from the Pippi Band spat at the camera? Should he have been locked up? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry but as far as I see it Korea faces some serious issues in the next 5 years
1. North Korea. SK needs a realistic carrots and sticks approach to NK isntead of the mindless bending over that Roh and DJ engaged in.
2. The economy. China's rise, Japan's come back..that means SK is sandwiched in and needs an administration that has a good understanding if economics. Roh was clueless.
3. There needs to be a whole lot of reform in this country. Education needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, they have to deal with corruption, they have to start dealing with illegal protestors in a firm, tough manner.
Kids and their choice of music is so far down the list of important challenges SK faces that we are wasting time even discussing it. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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My only point is that kids and their choice of music is not something the government should be concerned with, exactly. Wasting time sending government agents to see independent bands play certainly won't help the government solve those three problems you listed.
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they have to deal with corruption |
Wait a second, then why should they elect a corrupt politician? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
My only point is that kids and their choice of music is not something the government should be concerned with, exactly. Wasting time sending government agents to see independent bands play certainly won't help the government solve those three problems you listed.
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they have to deal with corruption |
Wait a second, then why should they elect a corrupt politician? |
Who says he is corrupt? So far there isnt any proof, only allegations from a party that has shown society what corruption really is. This administration has been one of the most corrupt in a long time. What do you propose then, 5 more years of the same? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
My only point is that kids and their choice of music is not something the government should be concerned with, exactly. Wasting time sending government agents to see independent bands play certainly won't help the government solve those three problems you listed.
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they have to deal with corruption |
Wait a second, then why should they elect a corrupt politician? |
Who says he is corrupt? So far there isnt any proof, only allegations from a party that has shown society what corruption really is. This administration has been one of the most corrupt in a long time. What do you propose then, 5 more years of the same? |
You can call the current administration ineffectual, lazy, incompetent, but they're nowhere near as corrupt as Chun Doo-hwan and Roh Tae-woo. And weren't the main allegations against Lee Myungbag from Park Geun-hye? He'd be buying massages for the CEOs of Hanhwa and Samsung his first week in office.
Look, of course I'm going to pick anyone over Lee Myungbag. If he gets elected a lot of my friends could find their heads on the chopping block. If Park Geun-hye were to get elected, other people close to me would be at more serious risk of going back to prison. I know you love the idea and you think everyone who doesn't conform to what the government wants them to do should be put in prison, but these people are my family and friends.
How a country treats unconventional thinkers and nonconformists says a lot about the country, and a country that rounds them up and locks them away is evil. Just look how that's working out in North Korea.
And I think we can come to an agreement here. You want elements of the country that I belong to destroyed and I want autocrats to be kept out of power. We're not going to persuade each other. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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You can call the current administration ineffectual, lazy, incompetent, but they're nowhere near as corrupt as Chun Doo-hwan and Roh Tae-woo. And weren't the main allegations against Lee Myungbag from Park Geun-hye? He'd be buying massages for the CEOs of Hanhwa and Samsung his first week in office. |
How many of Roh's closest aides have been caught up in pretty big corruption scandals just recently? This is a CORRUPT administration any way you cut it.
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| Look, of course I'm going to pick anyone over Lee Myungbag. If he gets elected a lot of my friends could find their heads on the chopping block. If Park Geun-hye were to get elected, other people close to me would be at more serious risk of going back to prison. I know you love the idea and you think everyone who doesn't conform to what the government wants them to do should be put in prison, but these people are my family and friends. |
Since when? About the worst thing anyone could do is conform to what Roh would want them to do. And Im curious what your friends do that would put them in danger. I think you are seriously overblowing the threat you think the conservatives pose.
I do however believe that the most important thing in any society isnt some abstract concept of freedom but respect for the Rule of Law.
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| How a country treats unconventional thinkers and nonconformists says a lot about the country, and a country that rounds them up and locks them away is evil. Just look how that's working out in North Korea. |
Again, I think you are exaggerating.
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| And I think we can come to an agreement here. You want elements of the country that I belong to destroyed and I want autocrats to be kept out of power. We're not going to persuade each other. |
I dont want your world destroyed. Infact, Id love to come by and photograph the punk world for a project Ill be taking up in the near future. Also, I am not a social conservative. I am not 100% behind what the GNP stands for. Socially I am not with them. However on foregn policy and economy I am. I just think those 2 concerns outweigh the social concerns because I am not buying the GNP boogeyman scare. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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They're friends and people close to you, but to others, they're just common criminals. Whatever it is that they are doing. You can't expect others to care, and you can't expect people that break the law not to go to prison. That is, unless, you are the CEO of Hyundai or Hanwha.
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| jinju wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
My only point is that kids and their choice of music is not something the government should be concerned with, exactly. Wasting time sending government agents to see independent bands play certainly won't help the government solve those three problems you listed.
| jinju wrote: |
they have to deal with corruption |
Wait a second, then why should they elect a corrupt politician? |
Who says he is corrupt? So far there isnt any proof, only allegations from a party that has shown society what corruption really is. This administration has been one of the most corrupt in a long time. What do you propose then, 5 more years of the same? |
You can call the current administration ineffectual, lazy, incompetent, but they're nowhere near as corrupt as Chun Doo-hwan and Roh Tae-woo. And weren't the main allegations against Lee Myungbag from Park Geun-hye? He'd be buying massages for the CEOs of Hanhwa and Samsung his first week in office.
Look, of course I'm going to pick anyone over Lee Myungbag. If he gets elected a lot of my friends could find their heads on the chopping block. If Park Geun-hye were to get elected, other people close to me would be at more serious risk of going back to prison. I know you love the idea and you think everyone who doesn't conform to what the government wants them to do should be put in prison, but these people are my family and friends.
How a country treats unconventional thinkers and nonconformists says a lot about the country, and a country that rounds them up and locks them away is evil. Just look how that's working out in North Korea.
And I think we can come to an agreement here. You want elements of the country that I belong to destroyed and I want autocrats to be kept out of power. We're not going to persuade each other. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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They're friends and people close to you, but to others, they're just common criminals. Whatever it is that they are doing. You can't expect others to care, and you can't expect people that break the law not to go to prison. That is, unless, you are the CEO of Hyundai or Hanwha.
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They might look like criminals, but they're really just decent, down to earth people who don't want to conform to what Korea asks of them, and they know how to play music and got a few tattoos. I would've expected people on this board to not judge people by how they look.
As for my relatives, all they've done is question the government, particularly some governments of the past.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I dont want your world destroyed. Infact, Id love to come by and photograph the punk world for a project Ill be taking up in the near future. |
You would not have a very good time there. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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I dont want your world destroyed. Infact, Id love to come by and photograph the punk world for a project Ill be taking up in the near future. |
You would not have a very good time there. |
Why not? Its not about having a good time its about putting together a story on a subject. But why wouldnt I? Would they jump me or something? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I dont want your world destroyed. Infact, Id love to come by and photograph the punk world for a project Ill be taking up in the near future. |
You would not have a very good time there. |
Why not? Its not about having a good time its about putting together a story on a subject. But why wouldnt I? Would they jump me or something? |
Who's this story for? Are you gonna send it all to Lee Myungbag? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I dont want your world destroyed. Infact, Id love to come by and photograph the punk world for a project Ill be taking up in the near future. |
You would not have a very good time there. |
Why not? Its not about having a good time its about putting together a story on a subject. But why wouldnt I? Would they jump me or something? |
Who's this story for? Are you gonna send it all to Lee Myungbag? |
LOL...I dont know who the story is for yet, however I dont shoot anything for in country use. Everything Ive ever submitted or had published, except for a joint effort book in Korea, was done for outside of Korea. The story would most likely be for a grant and submitted in the US. Ive just submitted 2 stories for a grant out of the US and thats what this would be done for, too. Im just shopping for ideas now though as I still shooting a few projects Ive had going for a while.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
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I dont want your world destroyed. Infact, Id love to come by and photograph the punk world for a project Ill be taking up in the near future. |
You would not have a very good time there. |
Why not? Its not about having a good time its about putting together a story on a subject. But why wouldnt I? Would they jump me or something? |
Who's this story for? Are you gonna send it all to Lee Myungbag? |
LOL...I dont know who the story is for yet, however I dont shoot anything for in country use. Everything Ive ever submitted or had published, except for a joint effort book in Korea, was done for outside of Korea. The story would most likely be for a grant and submitted in the US. |
Well considering you think they should all be locked up, I suggest you keep a very low profile if you do anything. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasnt me who said they should be locked up. I dont have issues with punks or other subcultures. My issues have always been with the leftist administration. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasnt me who said they should be locked up. I dont have issues with punks or other subcultures. My issues have always been with the leftist administration. |
Alright then, not locked up but blacklisted and shut down. |
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