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No Korean Universities in World's Top 50
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: No Korean Universities in World's Top 50 Reply with quote

If you click here, you can see a list of the world's top 100 universities. Korea does not have any in the top 50. Seoul National University is at #51. China, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan all have higher-ranked universities.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: No Korean Universities in World's Top 50 Reply with quote

Troll_Bait wrote:
If you click here, you can see a list of the world's top 100 universities. Korea does not have any in the top 50. Seoul National University is at #51. China, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan all have higher-ranked universities.


that isn't a surprise is it? well known fact i think.


I'm a graduate from number 33.

yahoo!!!!
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Gamecock



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These rankings are stupid...generally, I think ALL of these ranking of universities are moronic, but this one is more nonsensical than many I've seen. It makes me wonder about the criteria...

SNU is a few place above the University of Wisconsin-Madison...ummm, yeah, whatever. I could go on...
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the top 500 I made a thread about, done by Shanghai Jiao Tong University, SNU was #164. There's hardly a dearth of other facts unflattering the world's 2nd smartest race.

Their methodology was "We rank universities by several indicators of academic or research performance, including alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, highly cited researchers, articles published in Nature and Science, articles indexed in major citation indices, and the per capita academic performance of an institution.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World rankings are worthless. University of Hong Kong is ahead of Stanford, Cornell and Carnegie Mellon, however, I'm willing to bet that 9 out of 10 employers will choose the Stanford/Cornell/Carnegie Mellon grad over the University of Hong Kong grad with GPA, Major, etc... being equal.

The best measure of a University are quantitative figures. Salaries, Job Placement, income levels, etc...

Lets be real here. Most people go to University to make MORE money than they would have with a regular high school degree. The best metric for judging a school's merit is through businesses asking the fortune 500 business which schools are the best.

Also, a lot of schools are missing. University of Virginia has been consistently ranked number 1 or 2 the past 11 years as the top public University in the US. It is consistently ranked in the top 25 when compared to ALL Universities in the US, yet they don't even crack the top 100 in that POS ranking.
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Gamecock



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes...no University of Virginia, but University of California-San Diego is there!!!!!!!!!
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korea does not have any in the top 50


Neither does Germany or Italy apparently.
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reactionary



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as it should be!!! it's a shame it's behind UCLA - surely a lack of athletics is to blame.
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whatever



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! My school tied SNU...I can't wait to bring this up to k-friends.
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kotakji



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that list is particularly bad.
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pcs0325



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
According to the top 500 I made a thread about, done by Shanghai Jiao Tong University, SNU was #164.
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Any ranking is going to have its bias because it has to be looking from one angle as opposed to another, but I feel the Shanghai Jiao Tong ranking is making the best effort because it's a scientific endeavor and they open their methods to criticism.

Wikipedia's got a good bit about academic rankings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_and_university_rankings

Choose the one that suits you and go with it. But yeah, Korea's top (SNU) doesn't rank anything significant worldwide by any system.

Actually, I didn't have any interest in university rankings until I studied abroad at Yonsei. On one of their information pamphlets they listed a goal as being to rank within the top 100 universities by a certain year and that got me thinking, "Wait a minute? Korea's second best uni wants to rank in the top 100 worldwide? So what ranking are they right now?"
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komerican



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans should ingnore these lists. Most undergraduate education is similar all over the developed world. The west, particularly, the US, has a comparative advantage only at the graduate school level because the DoD or US department of defense spends vasts sums of money for research.

So it makes sense to go to the west ONLY for grad school and not for undergrad, which as I say is quite similar. Much of the rational for these lists is basically marketing by universities.

Koreans should just go to korean universities and then go to grad school in the west. If you look at the executive line up of 1st tier korean companies all of them graduated from Korean undergrad universities and then got advanced degrees at western grad schools.
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

komerican wrote:
Koreans should ingnore these lists. Most undergraduate education is similar all over the developed world. The west, particularly, the US, has a comparative advantage only at the graduate school level because the DoD or US department of defense spends vasts sums of money for research.

So it makes sense to go to the west ONLY for grad school and not for undergrad, which as I say is quite similar. Much of the rational for these lists is basically marketing by universities.

Koreans should just go to korean universities and then go to grad school in the west. If you look at the executive line up of 1st tier korean companies all of them graduated from Korean undergrad universities and then got advanced degrees at western grad schools.


More apologia from someone who refuses to acknowledge even Korea's greatest shortcoming. Education, particularly in the tertiary sector, here is a joke with academic tenure being akin to a medieval guild and the fear of competition from overseas academics palpable. Let's not even get into the question of rampant plagiarism, cheating and fraud for which your ilk are exposed disproportionally when studying abroad.
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

komerican wrote:
Koreans should ingnore these lists. Most undergraduate education is similar all over the developed world. The west, particularly, the US, has a comparative advantage only at the graduate school level because the DoD or US department of defense spends vasts sums of money for research.

So it makes sense to go to the west ONLY for grad school and not for undergrad, which as I say is quite similar. Much of the rational for these lists is basically marketing by universities.

Koreans should just go to korean universities and then go to grad school in the west. If you look at the executive line up of 1st tier korean companies all of them graduated from Korean undergrad universities and then got advanced degrees at western grad schools.


I graduated from a Canadian university and now teach at a Korean one. It is very different. At Korean universities, you can only fail through poor attendance (being absent many times). And even if you do fail, you can take the course again, and your old "F" is erased from your record as if it never existed. I could go on (not doing homework, sleeping in class, plagiarism, etc.). There are a fair number of posters here at Dave's who also teach at Korean universities, and they will all tell you the same.

Listen up, Kyopo. Until you come and live in Korea, have a nice long drink, because you don't know what you're talking about.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

komerican:

Please tell us what your major was and what university deigned to graduate you. Your posts indicate Science isn't your field. The same can be said of Logic and English.
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