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| What effect has AmeriKa's "WAR" on "terror" had on the world? |
| It's reduced the # of pissed-off terrorists |
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14% |
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| Violent radicals, threats & risks have increased |
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70% |
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| The more things change the more they remain the same |
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14% |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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It would have been rude to do otherwise. After all, Bush Sr. and Saudi bin Laden Sr. were
partners in the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm which specialized in buying up bankrupt defense contractors, i.e. they make money off of war. |
Really? My GOD, if that's true: what a total scam 
Ha! I don't believe you.
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Thank you for asking. From hereinreality.com:
http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html
Now George Bush, Sr. works for The Carlyle Group. They invest in defense companies, medical laboratories, and the telecommunications industry. The Carlyle Group is one of the government's biggest contractors. George Bush, Sr. and The Carlyle Group stand to make billions of dollars from the War on Terror. On September 11, The Carlyle Group was having a conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC with members of the Bin Laden family, one of their investors.
And Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
Critics of the Carlyle Group frequently note its connections to various political figures. Some of the sectors and companies in which it invests are highly sensitive to political activity; indeed, its actions may be viewed as a form of political arbitrage. This may create conflicts of interest when political decision makers have their own personal wealth [4] linked to such investments. Carlyle is the largest private equity firm located in Washington, D.C. - its corporate headquarters are located on Pennsylvania Avenue. Some have also linked Carlyle to some of lesser-known companies that have been linked to US Intelligence, such as Centre Analytics and In-Q-Tel.
In the book House of Bush, House of Saud, author Craig Unger states that Saudi Arabian interests have given $1.4 billion to firms connected to the Bush family. Nearly 85% of the $1.4 billion, or about $1.18 billion, refers to Saudi Arabian government contracts awarded to defense contractor BDM in the early to mid 1990s. Carlyle, however, sold its interest in BDM before former President George H. W. Bush joined as an advisor.
The Saudi Arabian relatives of Osama bin Laden were also investors in Carlyle until October 2001 when the family sold its $2.02 million investment back to the firm in light of the public controversy surrounding bin Laden�s family after the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001. The bin Laden family has publicly disowned the al-Qaeda leader.[5] Osama bin Laden has not publicly known or acknowledged economic interest in Saudi Binladin Group (SBG), whose investments were in part managed by the Carlyle Group until the arrangement was terminated by mutual consent.
If you need any more documentation, just ask me. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Bin Laden family = the Saudi version of the Kennedys.
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html
by the way here is Bin Laden's niece.
The Bin Laden family is huge . Bin Laden himself has 51 brothers and sisters. If you do business with Saudi Arabia then you do business with the Bin Laden family. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
I said Bush was owned by the group.
The Carlye is United Defense. United Defense isn't one of the big players
How many defense contractors are there anyway? Alot
United Defense is very small player. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
I said Bush was owned by the group.
The Carlye is United Defense. United Defense isn't one of the big players
How many defense contractors are there anyway? Alot
United Defense is very small player. |
Sorry, I misread the "is owned by" part but the point still stands.
And if you are right about United Defense, and it takes a minimum investment of $100 million to join Carlyle, just imagine the scale of military spending going on.
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION
in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
Major BLACK-OPS eh?
How much to this 2.3 trillion went into financing the attacks & ensuing campaign against the American people?
Has any of this been recovered in the last 6 years? Congressional investigation?
Where's the accountability?
Follow the money, connect the dots. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
I said Bush was owned by the group.
The Carlye is United Defense. United Defense isn't one of the big players
How many defense contractors are there anyway? Alot
United Defense is very small player. |
Sorry, I misread the "is owned by" part but the point still stands.
And if you are right about United Defense, and it takes a minimum investment of $100 million to join Carlyle, just imagine the scale of military spending going on.
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
No I never saw 2.3 in trillion in Pentagon money.
Certainly not cause of 9-11.
US military budget is about 500 B.
The US GDP is 13 trillion. That means about 4% of GDP less than during most of the cold war.
I am sorry but I don't know what point you are trying to make here. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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