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| What effect has AmeriKa's "WAR" on "terror" had on the world? |
| It's reduced the # of pissed-off terrorists |
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| Violent radicals, threats & risks have increased |
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| The more things change the more they remain the same |
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bacasper
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It would have been rude to do otherwise. After all, Bush Sr. and Saudi bin Laden Sr. were
partners in the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm which specialized in buying up bankrupt defense contractors, i.e. they make money off of war. |
Really? My GOD, if that's true: what a total scam 
Ha! I don't believe you.
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Thank you for asking. From hereinreality.com:
http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html
Now George Bush, Sr. works for The Carlyle Group. They invest in defense companies, medical laboratories, and the telecommunications industry. The Carlyle Group is one of the government's biggest contractors. George Bush, Sr. and The Carlyle Group stand to make billions of dollars from the War on Terror. On September 11, The Carlyle Group was having a conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC with members of the Bin Laden family, one of their investors.
And Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
Critics of the Carlyle Group frequently note its connections to various political figures. Some of the sectors and companies in which it invests are highly sensitive to political activity; indeed, its actions may be viewed as a form of political arbitrage. This may create conflicts of interest when political decision makers have their own personal wealth [4] linked to such investments. Carlyle is the largest private equity firm located in Washington, D.C. - its corporate headquarters are located on Pennsylvania Avenue. Some have also linked Carlyle to some of lesser-known companies that have been linked to US Intelligence, such as Centre Analytics and In-Q-Tel.
In the book House of Bush, House of Saud, author Craig Unger states that Saudi Arabian interests have given $1.4 billion to firms connected to the Bush family. Nearly 85% of the $1.4 billion, or about $1.18 billion, refers to Saudi Arabian government contracts awarded to defense contractor BDM in the early to mid 1990s. Carlyle, however, sold its interest in BDM before former President George H. W. Bush joined as an advisor.
The Saudi Arabian relatives of Osama bin Laden were also investors in Carlyle until October 2001 when the family sold its $2.02 million investment back to the firm in light of the public controversy surrounding bin Laden�s family after the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001. The bin Laden family has publicly disowned the al-Qaeda leader.[5] Osama bin Laden has not publicly known or acknowledged economic interest in Saudi Binladin Group (SBG), whose investments were in part managed by the Carlyle Group until the arrangement was terminated by mutual consent.
If you need any more documentation, just ask me. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Bin Laden family = the Saudi version of the Kennedys.
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html
by the way here is Bin Laden's niece.
The Bin Laden family is huge . Bin Laden himself has 51 brothers and sisters. If you do business with Saudi Arabia then you do business with the Bin Laden family. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: |
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If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
I said Bush was owned by the group.
The Carlye is United Defense. United Defense isn't one of the big players
How many defense contractors are there anyway? Alot
United Defense is very small player. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
I said Bush was owned by the group.
The Carlye is United Defense. United Defense isn't one of the big players
How many defense contractors are there anyway? Alot
United Defense is very small player. |
Sorry, I misread the "is owned by" part but the point still stands.
And if you are right about United Defense, and it takes a minimum investment of $100 million to join Carlyle, just imagine the scale of military spending going on.
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION
in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
Major BLACK-OPS eh?
How much to this 2.3 trillion went into financing the attacks & ensuing campaign against the American people?
Has any of this been recovered in the last 6 years? Congressional investigation?
Where's the accountability?
Follow the money, connect the dots. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
If Bush is owned by Carlye group then why did the US cancel the crusader - Crusader 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer which was owned by United Defense which was owned by the Carlye group?
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I never said Bush owned the group, and I cannot answer your question. I have merely documented that the Bushes and bin Ladens were fellow investors in an outfit that profits from war. There were many, many other Carlyle projects whose weapons were not cancelled. |
I said Bush was owned by the group.
The Carlye is United Defense. United Defense isn't one of the big players
How many defense contractors are there anyway? Alot
United Defense is very small player. |
Sorry, I misread the "is owned by" part but the point still stands.
And if you are right about United Defense, and it takes a minimum investment of $100 million to join Carlyle, just imagine the scale of military spending going on.
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
No I never saw 2.3 in trillion in Pentagon money.
Certainly not cause of 9-11.
US military budget is about 500 B.
The US GDP is 13 trillion. That means about 4% of GDP less than during most of the cold war.
I am sorry but I don't know what point you are trying to make here. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Sorry, I misread the "is owned by" part but the point still stands.
And if you are right about United Defense, and it takes a minimum investment of $100 million to join Carlyle, just imagine the scale of military spending going on.
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
No I never saw 2.3 in trillion in Pentagon money.
Certainly not cause of 9-11.
US military budget is about 500 B.
The US GDP is 13 trillion. That means about 4% of GDP less than during most of the cold war.
I am sorry but I don't know what point you are trying to make here. |
No, the $2.3 trillion was not in one year (even my wife couldn't spend that much!) and sorry, offhand I do not recall over how many years it was. The point was that, considering the $2.3 trillion plus the trillions accounted for, I could see how Carlyle/United Defense, even with their $100 million minimum to get in, could be a relatively minor player.
I was not saying it was a cause of 9/11, or at least not all of it. I am not sure if the $6 billion funneled by US Intelligence to Osama bin Laden and his crew to create a terrorist network to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan is included in that figure or is otherwise "accounted for."
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| No, the $2.3 trillion was not in one year (even my wife couldn't spend that much!) and sorry, offhand I do not recall over how many years it was. The point was that, considering the $2.3 trillion plus the trillions accounted for, I could see how Carlyle/United Defense, even with their $100 million minimum to get in, could be a relatively minor player. |
So Bush invested in a defense contractor or an investment group that invested in a defense contractor. This means what?
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I was not saying it was a cause of 9/11, or at least not all of it. I am not sure if the $6 billion funneled by US Intelligence to Osama bin Laden and his crew to create a terrorist network to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan is included in that figure or is otherwise "accounted for." |
The US didn't fund Osama Bin Laden.
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| However, CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, calls the idea "that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ... a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.[83] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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In the news this morning:
Another Canadian soldier has been found dead of gun-inflicted wounds while he was on-base in Afghanistan. Is someone sending a message to people who would be tempted to reveal what is going on in that part of the world?
The combination of that photo showing British troops patrolling poppy fields and the reported bumper crop in poppy production leads one to believe that the Anglo-Saxon trio (US-Canada-UK) have no interest in protecting the citizens of that country, other than keeping the field-hands alive.
Couple this with some other facts:
- all dead Canadian servicemen are repatriated to the army base of Trenton, Ontario
- it is mandated that the corpse be sent down Highway 401 to Toronto so that an autopsy may be performed upon it (as if one needs to determine the cause of death of a body shredded by an explosive device) during its trip, the coffin is maintained sealed and under the constant surveillance of a designated member of the military
- Add to that the reported fact that the Toronto Metro police are complaining of an exponential increase of heroin in the streets of the city ...
As someone once said "Take a clue"
It isn't hard to connect the dots and to determine that the corpses of our dead soldiers are being used as drug mules. The autopsy only serves to extract the planted drugs which are then distributed on the streets of Toronto.
Then there's the misguided attempt to rename that stretch of road the "Highway of Heroes".
It's only a typo, folks! The politicians really wanted to name it the "Highway of Heroin".
The above article is accessible through: http://whatreallyhappened.com ...
Reader letters are archived at http://alaskafreepress.com/msgboard/ wrh_reader_letters
If you're not OUTRAGED... you're not paying ATTENTION !!
The following is a statement by David Rockefeller (founder of the Trilateral Commission), in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991:
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Blackwater's Brothers
Jeremy Scahill
Thu Nov 15, 4:10 PM ET
The Nation -- Every day, new revelations emerge in the mounting scandal rocking the Bush Administration and the mercenary company Blackwater Worldwide.
Much of the attention focuses on the now infamous shooting spree in Baghdad's Nisour Square on September 16, in which seventeen Iraqi civilians were killed and twenty-four wounded. FBI investigators are now alleging that fourteen were victims of unjustified and unprovoked shooting--some were shot while they were fleeing. Investigators also say they found nothing to substantiate Blackwater's claims of being fired on by Iraqis.
This comes a month after a US Army investigation determined there was "no enemy activity involved" and labeled the shootings a "criminal event." But while Blackwater gets hammered in the press, the behind-the-scenes actions of the company's paymaster, the State Department, grow more scandalous by the minute.
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071203scahill
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igotthisguitar
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igotthisguitar
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THIS IS AN URGENT ACTION ALERT:
S 1959 "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" must be stopped.
Pick up your phone today and contact your US Senator's office to instruct them to vote "NO" on S.1959.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Full PDF text of the bill:
http://...com/3a3y2z
If this bill is passed, and becomes law, your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the govt. to declare ANYTHING they deem an "extremist belief system", instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.
Contact your Senator and let them know they will be looking for another job if they vote yes on this bill, which is now introduced into the Senate as S.1959 THIS BILL **MUST NOT** BECOME LAW, PERIOD.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959
If this becomes law, your words could be considered "promoting an extremist belief system", and all they have to say is that you are using PLANNED OR THREATENED *FORCE* (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VIOLENCE) --FORCE by exposing CORRUPTION, CRIMINALITY against "THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES, *****OR ANY SEGMENT THEREOF" READ THE BILL MANY TIMES AND VERY CAREFULLY--YOU ARE THE TERRORIST (WHICH MEANS THEY CAN STRIP YOUR CITIZENSHIP, AND HAVE YOU TORTURED AND EXECUTED).
Senate is back in session today, do not hesitate, call, fax, email your Senator ASAP.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
No I never saw 2.3 in trillion in Pentagon money.
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Here is Rumsfeld announcing it at a press conference that day. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Do you remember the report that came out on Sept. 10, 2001 which said there was $2.3 TRILLION in Pentagon money that could not be accounted for? |
No I never saw 2.3 in trillion in Pentagon money.
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Here is Rumsfeld announcing it at a press conference that day. |
Over how many years was the number?
Is the govt incompetent? Sure. |
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