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All FTs to be phased out of public schools by 2010
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Spongebob Squarepants wrote:
Since we're in regular contact with the MOE, this is not just a rumor/hearsay.


Spongebob Squarepants wrote:
Yep you read right. Heard it through the grapevine,

So which is it, rumor or fact?


Superhero, you'll be much happier if you just automatically believe everything you read on the internet. Just do it and don't ask for silly things like sources or verification.
It's even better when people read things posted here and then repeat them in bars over the weekend. Many on this board do this, already, and look at how much happier they are. Laughing
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kiwikid



Joined: 28 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard about this last June/July or sometime around then. There was an EPIK meeting in Seoul to explain the new Epik handbook for this year and the plans of the educatoin department etc. The meeting was for Korean teachers to get them up to date about EPIK. I went along with my co-teacher and the school money man ( day off school and a trip to Seoul on a friday afternoon...yippee). I was the only foreigner there and the meeting was in Korean. When I wasn't dozing off my co-worker translated some of the information. So, I was told that they are going to phase out all foreign teachers from public schools. I did hear 2010 but i'm not sure if that was when it was to be done by or if that was when they were going to start. To better perpare Korean teachers for teaching English they are going to increase the number of foreign teachers in Education universities from 2 to 10. This got me interested thinking I might want to move into Uni teaching so I started asking the local uni if they were going to be hiring more for next year...no...Jump to 2 weeks ago, the local Uni gets a huge lump sum of $ to increase the foriegn teachers from 2 to 7 in preparation for the 2010 goal. I was thinking about applying but decided to stay where I am. Which turned out to be a good decision because the Uni decided not to hire anyone just yet because it's too rushed. So if you want a Uni job, start looking for advertisements from Education universities maybe for the 2nd semester next year.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over the next decade about we can count on numerous revisions and plans to try to 'solve' the helpless situation of English education in Korea under-achieving. This will likely include both increases and decreases to how many FTs they want. About the only thing we can be sure of is that it will laregly fail because:

- a lack of selection will mean they mostly get rookies who don't know what to do.

- a lack of incentives will prevent more experienced FTs from sticking around.

- what we do will be largely ineffective because it won't be included in a graded curriculum.

- no matter what we do most KETs will continue to drone on at their classes in Korean, ensuring less English communication the more 'advanced' students get in their studies.
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yeremy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Korea's History of Cultural Exchange-to Julius Reply with quote

I don't want to get in your face, but I wish to disagree with your post that Korea does not have a history of cultural exchange with the outside. I have a question for you, Julius. Where do you think 자짱면 comes from and how did it come to Korea? And what about the Chinese characters 한자, which make up a significant part of the Korean language? How did they come to be adopted from the Chinese language? I think that Korea does have a history of cultural exchange with the outside from fighting Asian pirates from the, to the Chinese, to Hideyoshi's INvastion, which some say was linked to Hideyoshi's wish to snag Korean pottery technology and potters to take back to Japan, to the Japanese Occupation, where some historians argue that Japan modernized Korea, and on to today. If you look, I believe the evidence and the facts are there to support the claim that Korea did have a cultural exchange with the outside, albeit in a very Korean way. But, did Korea always have a very open exchange with the outside world, perhaps not and maybe that was what you were getting at.
To give you another very recent example, I just bought a Samsung car from a Korean car dealer. It drives and handles very well, but the car is basically built upon Japanese technology from the Nissan auto group. C'est la vie. I love the car. But even Hyundai cars have a significant infusion of, yikes, Japanese technology and know how. So the next time people here rail against Japan and Japanese goods, I will defer because I like my car and don't want to give it up. Respectfully, Y
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The_Conservative



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: All FTs to be phased out of public schools by 2010 Reply with quote

Spongebob Squarepants wrote:
Yep you read right. Heard it through the grapevine, and there are even presidential candidates using this as their platform.

The MOE wants to get the Korean teachers to teach their English classes entirely in English in order to completely do away with the foreign edutainers who are currently in such high demand and who, despite their (relatively) high salaries, can't work the miracles expected of them and teach the thousands of little Kims and Parks to "supeeku Englishee" properly.

The way they see it is:

1. They'll no longer have to deal with us darn whiteys (and all the issues arising from that)
2. They'll save oodles of money as they won't need to pay the KTs any more than they already make.

Is it just me, or are they trying their darndest to get rid of us all?



I've heard this before. Only it was 2005 (and it was in regards to hakwons). Now it's 2010. We'll see.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea's History of Cultural Exchange-to Julius Reply with quote

Not good examples. 漢字 and 짜장면 were not necessarily things that Korean people loved and accepted with open arms. More likely, they were forced down their throat by the much stronger China.

As far as the Samsung car goes, stealing or copying technology (with or without permission) is not cultural exchange. It's an idea by Samsung to make money.

yeremy wrote:
I don't want to get in your face, but I wish to disagree with your post that Korea does not have a history of cultural exchange with the outside. I have a question for you, Julius. Where do you think 자짱면 comes from and how did it come to Korea? And what about the Chinese characters 한자, which make up a significant part of the Korean language? How did they come to be adopted from the Chinese language? I think that Korea does have a history of cultural exchange with the outside from fighting Asian pirates from the, to the Chinese, to Hideyoshi's INvastion, which some say was linked to Hideyoshi's wish to snag Korean pottery technology and potters to take back to Japan, to the Japanese Occupation, where some historians argue that Japan modernized Korea, and on to today. If you look, I believe the evidence and the facts are there to support the claim that Korea did have a cultural exchange with the outside, albeit in a very Korean way. But, did Korea always have a very open exchange with the outside world, perhaps not and maybe that was what you were getting at.
To give you another very recent example, I just bought a Samsung car from a Korean car dealer. It drives and handles very well, but the car is basically built upon Japanese technology from the Nissan auto group. C'est la vie. I love the car. But even Hyundai cars have a significant infusion of, yikes, Japanese technology and know how. So the next time people here rail against Japan and Japanese goods, I will defer because I like my car and don't want to give it up. Respectfully, Y
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dogshed



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
The Perfect Cup of Coffee wrote:
if you were learning say Spanish in the States, who would most people rather learn it from, a native Spanish speaker or some whitebread priss who majored in 'Spanish studies' at Goatfark U?

I'd much rather learn it from Salma Hayek, given the choice.


There's good news and bad news. The good news, she's into nerdy looking white guys.
The bad news, she already has Ed Norton.
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jeffkim1972



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
expat2001 wrote:
Every few years , Korea claims it will rid itself of the American GI's .Korea gives a date and swears that by that date the soldiers will be gone.


Idle electioneering.
Whenever the US has tried to withdraw, Korean politicians have started crying out loud.

Jimmy Carter wanted to pull the US out lock stock and barrel but was met with such determined pleas from Korean politicians to stay that he had no chance.

I predict they will bring in the new teacher regulations but quietly repeal most of it after a few months. We'll probably be left with the criminal and medical check though.


Politicians want the military to leave, but the military advisors are the ones that convince them otherwise.

The Koreans really have no choice.


As for phasing out the foreigners in the public schools.

1. They'll just go to more hagwons.
2. They'll just study abroad more.

The hagwon owners are just salivating at the idea in my opinion.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogshed wrote:
Young FRANKenstein wrote:
The Perfect Cup of Coffee wrote:
if you were learning say Spanish in the States, who would most people rather learn it from, a native Spanish speaker or some whitebread priss who majored in 'Spanish studies' at Goatfark U?

I'd much rather learn it from Salma Hayek, given the choice.

There's good news and bad news. The good news, she's into nerdy looking white guys.
The bad news, she already has Ed Norton.

Bad news, I'm not nerdy-looking.
Good news, Hollywood couples don't last and I can be patient.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joebj1178514 wrote:
The 'wonder breads' on this forum are simply getting mad by that fact that Koreans are trying to phase them out of a job.

I don't work at PS. My job isn't being phased out.

Quote:
THink about it, what can these 'saltines' do in their home countries? They come to a foreign country without a spec of intelligence or significant knowhow to make a quck buck.

The dreaded "this is the only job you losers can get" argument? And so early in your post? Lame.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
'wonder breads'


Quote:
'saltines'


Shut up and build me a railroad.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ks are conspiring to eliminate foreign English teachers by attrition.

By 2010, I'll have smoked and drank myself to death. At what they're paying me, and the cost of vices here (relative to 'home') I can't afford not to. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
Quote:
'wonder breads'


Quote:
'saltines'


Shut up and build me a railroad.



What's the matta? Don't like the taste of your own medicine?
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get back to work, Number Two Son.

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Trust me, if Koreans could afford to send their kids to the best schools they would,


And they still wouldn't learn jack.

Quote:

much like the world education is a social thing.


What the heck does that mean? Sounds like you could use a native speaker of English.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea's History of Cultural Exchange-to Julius Reply with quote

yeremy wrote:
I don't want to get in your face, but I wish to disagree with your post that Korea does not have a history of cultural exchange with the outside. I have a question for you, Julius. Where do you think 자짱면 comes from and how did it come to Korea? And what about the Chinese characters 한자, which make up a significant part of the Korean language? How did they come to be adopted from the Chinese language? I think that Korea does have a history of cultural exchange with the outside from fighting Asian pirates from the, to the Chinese, to Hideyoshi's INvastion, which some say was linked to Hideyoshi's wish to snag Korean pottery technology and potters to take back to Japan, to the Japanese Occupation, where some historians argue that Japan modernized Korea, and on to today. If you look, I believe the evidence and the facts are there to support the claim that Korea did have a cultural exchange with the outside, albeit in a very Korean way. But, did Korea always have a very open exchange with the outside world, perhaps not and maybe that was what you were getting at.
To give you another very recent example, I just bought a Samsung car from a Korean car dealer. It drives and handles very well, but the car is basically built upon Japanese technology from the Nissan auto group. C'est la vie. I love the car. But even Hyundai cars have a significant infusion of, yikes, Japanese technology and know how. So the next time people here rail against Japan and Japanese goods, I will defer because I like my car and don't want to give it up. Respectfully, Y


I guess they have certainly had historical interractions with the outside world in the form of invasions or the transfer of industry.

But as for positive cultural exchange to the outside world? Korea was historically the hermit kingdom, always trying to repel and limit outside influence. The mindset of the nation, the postwar resurgence of what I call hyper-nationalism and patriotism, always made for a country basically unwilling to accept the liberal cosmopolitanism of the modern era. The rush to learn english was based on a need to be able to compete better in world markets. Underlying all though, is a basic dislike and rejection of anything outside their borders.

The immigration chief in his newspaper article says he has to act now to secure the reputation of foreign teachers here, before Koreans start to shun foreigners. Truth is though, no matter how many numerous documents we provide confirming that we are normal, healthy, law abiding, sentient human beings, nothing will really ever be good enough to gain acceptance in this society.

Once we all have passed exhaustive procedures to show we are OK people, then they will shift the goalposts some more or find some other reason to legitimise their deep-seated xenophobia.
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