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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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Yes, they work longer hours and even have to come in one Saturday month, but pay is only 1 m Won. I thought it would be more than what I make.
How I found out by accident is I was eating dinner with a Korean co-teacher and her boyfriend and his brother last night and they asked how much money I make so I told them. Since it is customary in Korea for friends or people who know each other to ask how much money each other makes, I was not offended or anything. I then asked the both of them what they make and she said 100 and I asked 100 m Won per year. She put the number in her cell phone and showed me 1,000,000. Her boyfriend gave an indirect answer saying his was variable depending on how well his microchips sell each month, but declined to give a range. I later learned that he was not willing to tell how much he made, because he didn't want his girlfriend and his brother to know as he is balling big time and that is was not rude for me ask after being asked and giving my answer.
They asked why I think foreign teacher makes more than Korean English teacher. I told them it took 5 years of study to be qualified for the job, I am taking many risks to travel abroad to teach, and that I am in much shorter supply which they accepted as a very good answer. They then explained that Korean people ask how much money people make to judge a persons abilities, competencies, and intellectual level as it is perceived that the more money you make, the more ability you have. I told them that this is a very reasonable assumption accept when someone inherits large wealth from their parents.
I thought this quite an interesting discussion about money at the dinner table. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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| I later learned that he was not willing to tell how much he made, because he didn't want his girlfriend and his brother to know as he is balling big time and that is was not rude for me ask after being asked and giving my answer. |
WTF does this sentence mean?  |
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xeno439
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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A typical Korean teacher at a language hagwon is probably making 1-1.4 a month. It's not a career ...it's considered a part-time job. Many haven't finished their university degrees yet, many failed the public school exam and are waiting another year for the next chance, and a lot are passing time until they get married.
A well educated Korean at an elite hagwon is making a lot more than you or I. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Thanks, that puts it into perspective. I had not 'heard' the term used in the way the OP did. Until now, I had always thought of 'balling' as the gerund of the verb 'to ball'.  |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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[quote="cruisemonkey"]
| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I later learned that he was not willing to tell how much he made, because he didn't want his girlfriend and his brother to know as he is balling big time and that is was not rude for me ask after being asked and giving my answer. |
WTF does this sentence mean? :roll
Yeah, this struck me as unintelligible, too.
One thing to remember is that locals usually do not know English-ee as well as you. In this context, a million won per month for a very, very inferior product seems, then, reasonable - no?
Don't beat yourself up for being better than your local English-ee instructors, eh!
Rochie |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| How I found out by accident is I was eating dinner with a Korean co-teacher and her boyfriend and his brother last night and they asked how much money I make so I told them. Since it is customary in Korea for friends or people who know each other to ask how much money each other makes, I was not offended or anything. |
Forget that noise. It's none of their business how much you make. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
A typical Korean teacher at a language hagwon is probably making 1-1.4 a month. It's not a career ...it's considered a part-time job. Many haven't finished their university degrees yet, many failed the public school exam and are waiting another year for the next chance, and a lot are passing time until they get married.
A well educated Korean at an elite hagwon is making a lot more than you or I. |
Word!!!
Even those somewhat or barely literate in our language (yet "popular" with their students) allegedly make about 25-30 million won per month, and they've commanded such large monthly earnings per month for years and years and years.
Keep this shite in mind, eh, before you feel sad for the utter dweeb or dweebette next to you pretending to be English instructors in your place of employment.
Go to Canada's www.icebergradio.com for whatever might ease your troubled conscience, eh.
Roch |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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[quote="Roch"]
| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I later learned that he was not willing to tell how much he made, because he didn't want his girlfriend and his brother to know as he is balling big time and that is was not rude for me ask after being asked and giving my answer. |
WTF does this sentence mean? :roll
Yeah, this struck me as unintelligible, too.
One thing to remember is that locals usually do not know English-ee as well as you. In this context, a million won per month for a very, very inferior product seems, then, reasonable - no?
Don't beat yourself up for being better than your local English-ee instructors, eh!
Rochie |
It seemed unintelligible to you since it is something an American says about someone who is making lots of money though I avoid slang and country specific vocabulary when speaking with Koreans and other people who don't speak English as their 1st language. I would expect that all of you are mature and advanced enough to learn or understand these sorts of things without making a big offensive deal out of it.
What is unintelligible is when someone flames another over using their home country vocabulary. I would not flame an Englishman for calling French fries, "chips." I simply look a word up when an Australian, Kiwi, or English man uses their vocabulary I am not familiar with instead of getting chip on my shoulder and flaming the speaker. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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[quote="sojourner1"]
| Roch wrote: |
| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I later learned that he was not willing to tell how much he made, because he didn't want his girlfriend and his brother to know as he is balling big time and that is was not rude for me ask after being asked and giving my answer. |
WTF does this sentence mean? :roll
Yeah, this struck me as unintelligible, too.
One thing to remember is that locals usually do not know English-ee as well as you. In this context, a million won per month for a very, very inferior product seems, then, reasonable - no?
Don't beat yourself up for being better than your local English-ee instructors, eh!
Rochie |
It seemed unintelligible to you since it is something an American says about someone who is making lots of money though I avoid slang and country specific vocabulary when speaking with Koreans and other people who don't speak English as their 1st language. I would expect that all of you are mature and advanced enough to learn or understand these sorts of things without making a big offensive deal out of it.
What is unintelligible is when someone flames another over using their home country vocabulary. I would not flame an Englishman for calling French fries, "chips." I simply look a word up when an Australian, Kiwi, or English man uses their vocabulary I am not familiar with instead of getting chip on my shoulder and flaming the speaker. |
Sorry, eh, but the above leaves me - no offence, eh - dumbfounded about your precise point.
Just send me a P.M so tnat we could arrange to meet up and throw back some cheap brews and get weird, eh.
P.M. me, Dude!! |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Korean hagwon teachers earn 1 m; how Korea talks money |
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[quote="sojourner1"]
| Roch wrote: |
| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I later learned that he was not willing to tell how much he made, because he didn't want his girlfriend and his brother to know as he is balling big time and that is was not rude for me ask after being asked and giving my answer. |
WTF does this sentence mean? :roll
Yeah, this struck me as unintelligible, too.
One thing to remember is that locals usually do not know English-ee as well as you. In this context, a million won per month for a very, very inferior product seems, then, reasonable - no?
Don't beat yourself up for being better than your local English-ee instructors, eh!
Rochie |
It seemed unintelligible to you since it is something an American says about someone who is making lots of money though I avoid slang and country specific vocabulary when speaking with Koreans and other people who don't speak English as their 1st language. I would expect that all of you are mature and advanced enough to learn or understand these sorts of things without making a big offensive deal out of it.
What is unintelligible is when someone flames another over using their home country vocabulary. I would not flame an Englishman for calling French fries, "chips." I simply look a word up when an Australian, Kiwi, or English man uses their vocabulary I am not familiar with instead of getting chip on my shoulder and flaming the speaker. |
If I accidentally offended you, Sir, then I am certainly sorry for this - something that should be construed as more of an accidental, unintended offense against your feelings, etc., than a person trying to be hateful or mean to you.
Take care and God Bless!
I am,
Roch |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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one of my k teachers made 3 million until he took a better paying job for 3.5.
the others make around 2.1-2.3
The one who made 3 lived in the US for 7 years and had masters work. One of the others lived in New Zealand for two years and barely speaks english but the kids like her.
Another one has an English degree from Australia and actually has strong english skills for a korean.
My FT co-worker makes 2.0 with a tefl or some other certificate he got in a month in the canadia. I make 2.5-3.0 depending on how much extra shit I want to do. Anything I get above 2.2 is under the table. SOunds great? It's not. The boss is a fraking arthole and the school is losing students because he is obsessed with projects other than his hagwon.
Anyway, smart korean hagwon teachers can make as much or more than a FT if they shop around; just like FTs can make more than 2 mil if they shop around.
On the other hand, my GF's best friend runs a korean style hagown (all subjects). She pays her English teachers 1 million. It's their first job and they do not speak the English-e very well at all. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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The Era of Professional Babysitters (KBS GLOBAL, 2005-10-11)
http://english.kbs.co.kr/life/trend/1364429_11857.html
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Babysitters who can teach English are particularly in high demand as they provide more benefits for a comparatively low fee. The majority of such babysitters are students who lived in English-speaking countries as children and speak English fluently. They usually make 30,000 won for an hour and a half of babysitting.
Other high-end types of babysitters include well-educated women who can replace parents in educating children at home. They usually charge 40,000 to 60,000 won per hour,... |
College Tutors Can Earn 60,000-100,000 Won Per Hour
by Yi-Young Cho and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (August 3, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2004080497078
27% of Economy Goes Underground
by Kim Sung-jin, Korea Times (February 26, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2825725 |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
| Many haven't finished their university degrees yet, |
How do you figure this part? They have to have a degree to be registered with the education ministry. If they don't have a degree, they can't legally teach, just like us. If they don't have a degree, they are working under the table and should be grateful for whatever they get.
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